Mafia 72-Vampires game thread
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Getting back to the debate whether or not voting DD the UD was sensible or not, I think the arguments JB have made are the most valid. However, since he referenced the specific game he mentioned before, that changes things.
JB, you raised that point last night and here I find you linking us to the game you say proves your point.
I remember that game very well and yes the UDs became a point of controversy. But that's because the mafia team started to manipulate the game as a last resort to avoid losing the game by using intentional UDs as their game strategy.
Go back and read the rules in that game... it says nothing about where UDs fall in relation to anything else in the nightfall sequence of events.
That's what enabled the mafia to manipulate the game that way and the game mod had to make a call to prevent them from doing it. They were using something that was NOT ADDRESSED by the rules to exploit the game which went against the spirit of fair play.
Then check out the innocent team's board where they objected to the manipulation of the game by mafia players deliberately retracting their own vote so they would UD on purpose.
That game has nothing to do with this one. And the scenario between us voting DD last night and those players UDing on purpose as a game tactic is totally different.
That game is also why after reading Ice's suggestion and explanation why we should vote DD that I went back to re-read the rules we have in THIS game and double-check the nightfall order of events before I switched my vote.
JB, you raised that point last night and here I find you linking us to the game you say proves your point.
I remember that game very well and yes the UDs became a point of controversy. But that's because the mafia team started to manipulate the game as a last resort to avoid losing the game by using intentional UDs as their game strategy.
Go back and read the rules in that game... it says nothing about where UDs fall in relation to anything else in the nightfall sequence of events.
That's what enabled the mafia to manipulate the game that way and the game mod had to make a call to prevent them from doing it. They were using something that was NOT ADDRESSED by the rules to exploit the game which went against the spirit of fair play.
Then check out the innocent team's board where they objected to the manipulation of the game by mafia players deliberately retracting their own vote so they would UD on purpose.
That game has nothing to do with this one. And the scenario between us voting DD last night and those players UDing on purpose as a game tactic is totally different.
That game is also why after reading Ice's suggestion and explanation why we should vote DD that I went back to re-read the rules we have in THIS game and double-check the nightfall order of events before I switched my vote.
The 2 vamp theory is that, because lab wanted to make the game last longer then the last one, lab only gave the vamps 2 people to start with. That means they would only have 3 today. This is including Dracula, i think.
What are you talking about?
There was the "POST OR ELSE" thing, and i flipped stones, checked under bushes, and there was my failed "RP like a PR" thing, which is more then you have done so far.
Oh, and looking through my notes i see that I thought you were being under-active back then too.
Oh, of course not, im never evil! (J/K)
From others point of view, yes i could be evil to. From my point of view, im good.
I remember that game, i think. I'm pretty sure it was my second game. And yes, i can see why that would be a problem, and do remeber the mod needing to do something about it.
My point comes more from Ice's understanding of the game. In the pm's that followed that incident, I asked Ice about it and he specifically said that's the way it's always been. Then in this game, he just seems to assume the oposite. It's not so much just what happened in that game, but Ice's basic philosophy which seems to have changed.
Okay TH.
In a standard format mafia game, roughly 25% of the group is mafia up against 75% innocents. The premise being it's an informed minority competing against an uninformed majority.
Let's say they start out with 20 players. Among those, 5 would be mafia on Day and 15 would be townies.
This is a different game format because the mafia gets to recruit new teammates. And that's the reason why it would give them an unfair advantage over the innocents if they started out with a full team and were then allowed to increase their numbers every night. The town wouldn't stand a chance.
So....
In a team-building format, the mafia usually starts with only 1 member. And they start choosing their own teammates night after night. In this case, Lab Rat already told us she didn't want to start with only 1 vampire .... because it's too risky. All it takes is one lucky stake (town lynch or slayer) and the game is over prematurely. So she started us off with at least 2 vampire opponents.
Since we have 17 players, the standard mafia percentage of 25% would mean the vampire team is "fully staffed" with 4 members. So they had to start with less than that or the game would not be balanced fairly.
That leaves us guessing between 2 vampires (Drac + 1 vamp) or 3 vampires (Drac + 2 vamps) at the beginning of Day 1.
All i saw was a lot of pointless noise. Nothing positive accomplished that I can see. i read your notes once, my head cant take it again.
Didn'tt you say I was more active than usual? Forget that too?
Okay JB. So maybe that was Ice's opinion in a game where the UD placement is not covered in the nightfall sequence of events. In this game, however, it's a moot point. Lab Rat made that determination for us before we started. Lynching/staking comes first and UDs are at the bottom. Lab Rat has also posted that as fact in response to Wizard's question. So it's still a non-issue here as far as I'm concerned.
