Mafia 73: Werewolf Game!

[Lady G]

GAH...hit post to soon...along with that question about Lab, Zaff....you say in that post how Riches vote was less credible then yours "it was actually somehow less credible than my own initial joke-vote on him." is what you said. How so??? Also if the vote was "initial" what was your reason for leaving it?

 

[Zaffy]

It's been a long day, I'm tired, and I really wasn't going to spend any more time on this thread the rest of tonight.

Then I made the mistake of checking in again to see what else has been posted.

...... and I saw this. Zaffy's post:



You actually sat there at your keyboard tonight and typed this up. How friggin hypocrital is that?

Zaffy, you and Rich both placed your votes on Pappy and decided to leave them where they were for whatever reasons either of you have. But do you acknowledge in any way that this was a mistake? Or even bother to express what a shame it is that you were wrong (besides making a dookie remark)?

Nope, not at all.

Instead, going after Rich now for making the exact same unfortunate choice for no apparent reason whatsoever is the best you can say at this point? This is totally beyond me.

Please, Zaffy, try to explain how you can say Rich's vote on Pappy is in any way less credible than the admitted joke-vote you placed on him yourself.

You also fault Rich there for not giving a reason for his vote... when you've consistently failed to give us any reason for yours.

Not only that, but this makes it #3 Zaffy.

I've asked you straight up twice before to state your case against Pappy and tell us why you were voting against someone you obviously were in full agreement with throughout the first day.

What you said consistently in the posts you made totally contradicted your leaving that joke-vote in place without later retracting it or giving us any further rationale.

Here is that initial joke-vote you placed, Zaffy.



Here, once again, is the first post in which I asked you to respond to the very same point I'm asking you to address again now.



You replied to my post but did not answer this, my whole main point, at all.

So, I went back to pull the post again for you and I again asked you to explain this here.



Then to make sure you still didn't overlook this, I quoted my original question to you again.



And still, you have not answered me.

Zaffy... for the 3rd time now, why did you leave your joke-vote on Jpappy?

I've found in my line of work, that often hypocrites are right. You don't like what they say because they are hypocrites, but you should certainly listen.


Would you like for me to sit here and type, "waa waa, I'm so sad we lost someone" Look back at my post-night posts in previous games. I never say anything like that. I think it's pointless.


Go ahead and read Richs reason for posting his vote. You'll notice there isn't one other than he likes voting Jpappy. Mine was at least based on a loose claim of skimming.

Do you think personal grudges (not the word I really want) are more credible than claims of skimming? I admit both are very weak. but please take a moment to rank them in your own mind. I don't even care if you post the results of your thought on this.


That's subjective.

Good morning, ACville villagers.

You know what? Last night, I saw what Zaffy had to say following nightfall and decided to come right back at him with the same question he kept dodging before.



I posted that, thinking I would then sit back and wait for his response. And if Zaffy refused to address this... yet again... I was going to vote him today.

Then I saw what Lab Rat tried to pull over on us.



..... pathetic.

You know, Labby, I was really having a hard time trying to decide yesterday between Jpappy, Zaffy, and JM........ so much so that I let strong suspicions just sit there until we might find out in the coming days, which one of those suspects would emerge over the other. That's how it works in these games.... the truth really does reveal itself over time.

In the meanwhile, however, I continued looking for someone else acting scummy enough to warrant my vote. And I hoped for the best.

I apologize, ACville, for not taking an even stronger stand yesterday against this charade. And for that, we've all paid a very dear price. I'm very sorry for that. I just wasn't sure yet which way to go and I didn't want to make a mistake by choosing the wrong direction.

We lost both Jpappy and Wizard because of that.

Last night, however, after something of a revelation in regards to Lab Rat.... I no longer have those same doubts today.

I'm not about to sit back and wait to see what happens anymore. We can't afford to let Lab Rat and Zaffy play this little game of theirs and take out 2 more innocent lives tonight.

I'd like very much to see a run-off tonight between Lab Rat and Zaffy.

To that end, I vote to lynch Zaffy.

I really enjoy how you've gone from Zaffy and Jpappy are working together, to Zaffy set up Jpap. I wish it were true, because it would have been a pretty good set up. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the one who set Jpappy up. I think someone else has blood in on their hands for that.

Sorry if you've been sitting a while, I went to bed.

A very fitting word.

Zaff, now my question to you. WHAT was your reason for voting Pap? You see, it seemed to me (and quite a few others) you were pretty much following Pap around, posting the same thoughts he posted. So one would THINK you agreed with Pap and his thoughts, yet your vote stayed on him.

I thought Jpappy was going for JM too hard. Pappy claimed that he even went back and reread old games with JM to verfiy. He never posted a quote to prove it. I felt that meant he had an agenda to nail JM. I didn't beleive JM had never seen a joke vote before, but I didn't think it was all that important. I didn't know if JM was lying, or if he was misremembering.

 

[Lady G]

Good morning, ACville villagers.

You know what? Last night, I saw what Zaffy had to say following nightfall and decided to come right back at him with the same question he kept dodging before.



I posted that, thinking I would then sit back and wait for his response. And if Zaffy refused to address this... yet again... I was going to vote him today.

Then I saw what Lab Rat tried to pull over on us.



..... pathetic.

You know, Labby, I was really having a hard time trying to decide yesterday between Jpappy, Zaffy, and JM........ so much so that I let strong suspicions just sit there until we might find out in the coming days, which one of those suspects would emerge over the other. That's how it works in these games.... the truth really does reveal itself over time.

In the meanwhile, however, I continued looking for someone else acting scummy enough to warrant my vote. And I hoped for the best.

I apologize, ACville, for not taking an even stronger stand yesterday against this charade. And for that, we've all paid a very dear price. I'm very sorry for that. I just wasn't sure yet which way to go and I didn't want to make a mistake by choosing the wrong direction.

We lost both Jpappy and Wizard because of that.

Last night, however, after something of a revelation in regards to Lab Rat.... I no longer have those same doubts today.

I'm not about to sit back and wait to see what happens anymore. We can't afford to let Lab Rat and Zaffy play this little game of theirs and take out 2 more innocent lives tonight.

I'd like very much to see a run-off tonight between Lab Rat and Zaffy.

To that end, I vote to lynch Zaffy.

I have to say I agree with you on this Kash, a run off between the two...I could also see throwing JM in there for a three way.
I have been looking back and keep coming to the posts from Pap, JM still says he never played a game with joke votes and Pap flat out said he looked back and say games where he did...then he kinda fell off the map (JM).
The way Lab and Zaff both want to jump all over Rich for "clearing" JM, just doesn't sit well with me and makes me keep thinking maybe they know he is WW and if he does end up lynched (JM), they could come back and go after Rich.

 

[Lady G]

And your thoughts on Labby...Zaff?

 

[Zaffy]

And your thoughts on Labby...Zaff?

I want to go read her stuff closer before I answer that.

My gut says I trust her though. Because she formed a hypothesis yesterday, at night it was proven wrong, so then she reformed/is reforming her hypothesis.

I want to look closer for details though.

 

[Zaffy]

I have to say I agree with you on this Kash, a run off between the two...I could also see throwing JM in there for a three way.
I have been looking back and keep coming to the posts from Pap, JM still says he never played a game with joke votes and Pap flat out said he looked back and say games where he did...then he kinda fell off the map (JM).
The way Lab and Zaff both want to jump all over Rich for "clearing" JM, just doesn't sit well with me and makes me keep thinking maybe they know he is WW and if he does end up lynched (JM), they could come back and go after Rich.

You really think it's ok to "clear" someone on day 1?

 

[rich311k]

I think it is interesting that both LR and Zaffy, pointed out my clearing Jm, phrasing yesterday. I explained, they drop it. Lynch comes out badly, they both say we never bought that explanation of clearing, lynch Rich. Just like a well coordinated plan.

 

[Kashta]

I've found in my line of work, that often hypocrites are right. You don't like what they say because they are hypocrites, but you should certainly listen.


Would you like for me to sit here and type, "waa waa, I'm so sad we lost someone" Look back at my post-night posts in previous games. I never say anything like that. I think it's pointless.


Go ahead and read Richs reason for posting his vote. You'll notice there isn't one other than he likes voting Jpappy. Mine was at least based on a loose claim of skimming.

Do you think personal grudges (not the word I really want) are more credible than claims of skimming? I admit both are very weak. but please take a moment to rank them in your own mind. I don't even care if you post the results of your thought on this.


That's subjective.




I really enjoy how you've gone from Zaffy and Jpappy are working together, to Zaffy set up Jpap. I wish it were true, because it would have been a pretty good set up. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the one who set Jpappy up. I think someone else has blood in on their hands for that.

Sorry if you've been sitting a while, I went to bed.

A very fitting word.






I thought Jpappy was going for JM too hard. Pappy claimed that he even went back and reread old games with JM to verfiy. He never posted a quote to prove it. I felt that meant he had an agenda to nail JM. I didn't beleive JM had never seen a joke vote before, but I didn't think it was all that important. I didn't know if JM was lying, or if he was misremembering.

Not a bad attempt there, Zaffy, but I'm afraid it's too little too late. Lab Rat has already defended you. And neither you nor she can undo that mistake.

You had every opportunity to have your say with me numerous times before, but each time you declined. Instead, opting to address the questions I had about you with Lady G instead of openly discussing them with me directly.

From this point on....... spare me the platitudes and other BS now. You can save all that for your scumden.

That said, I agree with one statement from your post quoted above:

"I thought Jpappy was going for JM too hard."

Indeed... so did I. But, as Lab Rat has already tried her best to save your arse while continuing to fool us into suspecting either Rich or JM. Both those players have been cleared (by Lab Rat) in my mind.

Your game is over, Zaffy.

 

[rich311k]

As for the clearing turn of phrase I explained it, I will not explain it again.

Yes the Jpap vote was semi serious, as the day went along I really did not see any better place to move it and Jpap did behave oddly.

I am not sure who I will vote for yet but either Zaffy or LR would be a good bet. I am keeping an open mind and we shall see how the day plays out.

 

[Kashta]

As for the clearing turn of phrase I explained it, I will not explain it again.

Yes the Jpap vote was semi serious, as the day went along I really did not see any better place to move it and Jpap did behave oddly.

I am not sure who I will vote for yet but either Zaffy or LR would be a good bet. I am keeping an open mind and we shall see how the day plays out.

I agree with that, Rich. Makes no difference to me which one dies first.