Mafia 88: Insane Asylum (Game Thread)

[[AC] Tiburon321]

I have to say, Scoop looks like they're digging, could be an illusion though. Their only case seems to be on Driver. I'd like to hear thoughts on more people.

This will be engraved on your tombstone.

With as much rereading as you have done, you should know every post by heart.

Any chance you plan to share any of the insights you have gained from "rereading"?

Or should we wait for the movie?

That post made me lol.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

This game sucks...as soon as you think you're calling it for the night, it drags you back in...LOL

Now for my actual contributions...it's hard for me to get a feel of where to begin since I haven't exactly been "in the loop."

One thing that has stuck out to me has been the lack of Driver's digging while trying to get others to do just that. I've pulled all of their posts from D2 (I think, my timing might be off still).

That is as bad as it gets. We need a good day this time.

Where do we go from here. I do not like that we had to non voters. Since a townie was in the lead there was no reason for late shenanigans. I think we need to go back to the day one voting and relook at every one. The current tactics sure are not working.

Doom was the vigilant hit.

Some observational posts close after nightfall.

A lot less posting than I expected. I see chongo is hard at something. I do agree that the single votes and the no votes are of much interest. People who don't get into it are either not really playing or are hiding.

This was after people got into some more meaty discussions...

Single votes are Doom, Gun, Oldtoes
No vote Gold, Mael

The question now is which of these has not been of much help.

Gold has had some kind of problem so I will skip them.

Mael has been around a bit but decided he did not have enough to vote with or some such. We need some thoughts from you.

Gun has me worried posted just enough to be here but I do see what was of much use or new ideas.

Doom is dead, sorry to see a townie go.

3 Toes has been active but really sure where they stand on all of this.

I think we all need to get digging.

The above is the extent of Driver's "digging" for the day, which is ironic considering the last sentence there. All are pretty wishy washy statements based mostly on the activity of the players.

I have a question, where is everybody?

Let us know if you find anything.

I saw one. Rickets the only player of interest?

More poking at people to post...

I vote to lynch Gun.

I think he has been of little help and has mostly blown smoke around.

I find it interesting that this was right after Tib, I believe, pulled a bunch of Gun's quotes and indicated that they found Gun to be scummier than before. Seems rather opportunistic.

They can read in context. I was speaking as if I was HH.

I believe I did post who I was looking at and what my thoughts were. If the known innocent written in context is all you got then this town is in trouble.

I will stick with Gun. I will not be around until much later. I am leaving shortly to travel for business.

Then the last posts of the day are defenses of a previous comment...

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

This is the day 1 final vote pattern

HH (8) - chup 277, wing 310, Tib 320, Nar 323, gold 363, Nem 368, Tree 383, mael 385
Nem (5) - Driver 261, HH 269, Gun 278, BH 292, HI IQ 361
Scoop (2) - wing 168, Doom 196, Star 274
C-note (1) - O3T 192
UhOh (1) - RICK 237
Doom (1) - UhOh 271
Tib (1) - C-note 272
Star (1) - scoop 297
O3T (0) - RICK 186
Gun (0) - BH 275
Chup (0) - HI IQ 295
Mael (0) - Nem 236
RICK (0) - HI IQ 322
Nar (0) - mael 240, gold 268

The purple is scum, lime is known innocent, red is retracted, red underline is retracted by a known innocent.

A couple of things interest me here. HH voted for Nem BEFORE there was a train running on themselves. See vote was post 269, whereas the first vote against HH was by chup in post 277. Knowing Nems role would make this much much easier but I will do a little bit of fuzzy logic on this and see where it goes. HH was the second vote on Nem, they never moved that vote, and it was done fairly early in the voting process, no clear front runners had been picked. In my opinion a scum would not place a second vote on a team mate this early on, that makes me lean Nem innocent. Since Driver made an inital singleton vote on Nem and never changed I think very little can be said about whether Driver is scum or innocent, once the other votes started coming in a vote change would make Driver look scummy.

IF Nem is Innocent, BH's vote in post 292 (moved from Gun, a known innocent, in post 275) looks super scummy. But it is still a relatively early vote on Nem as HH only has chup's vote at this time. However, if Nem is scum as well, I think that almost clears BH due to how early the vote is in the pattern.

Narwhals vote for HH in post 323 ties the vote between HH and Nem. Gold and High almost simulataneously vote, keeping it tied, they are both known innocents. Nem breaks the tie (a vote to save themselves), Tree followed shortly by mael seal the deal. I can't see Tree and Meal sealing the deal on a teammate with such a close vote and a chance for the tie. That makes me lean them innocent, again IF Nem is innocent. Natwhal however, looks scummy for initially tieing the vote up at 4, even though they voted for HH. The Tie=No lynch rule negates that fact. Their vote was esentially a vote for no lynch at the time.

Conclusions: It would be really nice to know Nems role... And analytically looking at votes, Narwhal looks the scummiest followed by BH.

Essentially what you are saying here (to the part in bold) is that IF Nar was innocent, they would/should not have voted HH because that COULD have lead to a no lynch, which yes, would not have been a good thing to happen.

What I do not understand, however, is why you, if you are innocent, would be rationalizing the fact that someone shouldn't have voted for a now known scum?

Someone had to have placed that fourth vote for HH to be lynched N1.

 

[[AC] chupacabra]

UhOh gives me an uneasy feeling. Sorry to put that in vague terms, I've been trying to think of a better way of saying this without coming out and calling them scum. Truth is, I don't see anything innocent about UhOh at all anymore.

On Day 1, UhOh said it was "a good thing" Mad lets us vote nobody "to avoid UDs." The reason they gave was we have a history of lynching innocents the 1st day. I disagreed and cautioned that it was bad advice for the town. Other players made similar comments. I think WingNut told us it's usually scum who suggests it.

(Going by memory there. I haven't gone back to check if that was WingNut. Anyway, if it wasn't the point still stands and I believe it's a true statement.)

The irony now is how strongly UhOh has lead the charge recently to "scummify" anyone who votes no one just a couple of days later after they were the 1st to suggest it. Seems UhOh has failed to see the flaw in applying this logic, however. Perfect example, Gold Leader voted for no one but Gold was not mafia.

I vote to lynch UhOh.

Overall....... I think UhOh has been trying to set us up and they are quick to pounce on someone for just about anything. They singled out Doom and Rickets rather exclusively on Day 1 and (if I remember correctly) had almost nothing to say about Hammer as probable scum. Their Day 1 vote was on Doom (innocent) and they stayed with the same vote for Day 2. Then UhOh started pulling posts like crazy which made them appear pro-town. Still after flooding the thread with all those quote posts that most folks are going to just skim over anyway, I didn't see them actually reach many conclusions about it all. (BTW if they did and I've missed it, please point it out for me.) Now after all that, UhOh reverts back to Rickets again as they had been doing the first day before all that "digging" even started. I don't know whether Rickets is scum or town and that isn't the point anyway. We did find out that Doom was innocent. While it's possible that UhOh could just have been wrong, I can't help but feel that UhOh is evil.......and just keeps stirring things up for everyone.

I doubt I'll get a chance to change my vote so this is probably where it will stay. I have to leave early for work in the morning and nightfall will probably be over with before I get home.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Chup, I believe you are referring to this post...

I have reread the thread a few times and don't see much. Some day 1 gibberish, let's talk about pizza but not toppings.

About all that stands out is Scoop seems to be directing attention to wingnut and narwhal is directing attention to nemessis.

C-note seemed to dislike the spanish posts.

What one needs to consider/wonder are motives. Why would Scoop and Narwhal want to direct attention as they appear to be doing?

Are they scum trying to set up some innocents for lynching?

Are they innocents eager to try to find scum?

I seriously doubt that the scum would reveal themselves so early in the game by telling us to not post when from what I read it was in referrence to guessing who had what alias.(which can do us no good spending time trying to guess who is who when we need to look for scummy behavior)

I also doubt that scum would be so blatant as to mispell would twice in one sentance as Scoop has pointed out. What purpose would that serve?

I was thinking that it is a good thing that Mad gave us the option of voting no one or voting ourselves to avoid ud as I could not think of where my vote should fall. We do have a history of lynching innocents on day 1.

However, after reading today's posts, I do believe that my vote will most likely fall on Narwhal or Scoop.

I would like UhOh to respond before posting my interpretation of their post. But I thought it would be good to at least pull the post for everyone else's reference.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

I also meant to say that it unnerves me a bit to see you go in a seemingly different direction than the rest of the town when you also say that there is a good chance you wont be around to discuss all of this before nightfall...

 

[[AC] chupacabra]

I also meant to say that it unnerves me a bit to see you go in a seemingly different direction than the rest of the town when you also say that there is a good chance you wont be around to discuss all of this before nightfall...

Be that as it may, Nem. I'm not delighted with the direction the rest of the town has been going or at least with the results we've been getting from it.

Are you?

Plain and simple, we got lucky Hammer self-destructed when he came after me. Beyond that, the scum has been hitting our most active/vocal townies and PRs one after another. Our collective town wisdom lynched a UD, for goodness sake.......... even after Wing warned us to have alternate votes ready to post so our lynch might still count for something. And the thread stays quiet, why? Because the mafia isn't doing anything to stop us from killing each other off for them.

You really want the town to keep going with the flow? Okay then. Perhaps that tells us something significant about the side you're on.

Personally, I'd rather we take a closer look at players we should have suspected, but haven't yet. That's not going to happen if we all stay in agreement and go the same direction.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

THanks for answering. I retract my vote on Gunslinger and I vote to lynch Nem because I agree with several of the arguments on him. I also think Scoop could be evil, I give them both a 75-90% chance of it, which is more then I have for the rest of you. Since day one is a crapshoot, I flipped a coin as to which one, but I would have been fine with either.

This is D1 and it really bothers me that BH can flat out say that they already think not one, but TWO players are 75-90% evil. Those players being scoop and Nem.

Way to hop the bandwagon...

Funny how I chose the guy my coin told me to, out of TWO people who had trains on them. And funny how you jumped the train on HH, along with several other people *cough* Mael *cough*

Next, BH decides to give people, namely Nem and Mael, crap for voting HH. I find it odd that BH brings up something about there being "trains" on scoop and Nem before he voted when neither were trains at all.

Ok, you have answered this several times, but I would just like to note that no one on HH is cleared in my book. In the past I have voted my own teammates in order to make myself look better, I don't doubt for a moment that people would do that same now. And considering that HH had 8 votes, well, that's a lot of votes, my bet is at least 1 of them was an evil.



... that's your argument? I almost laughed. DDay, your making yourself look bad.



hmmm? Oh, well, I saw a number of votes on HH, and then I saw you vote HH. I'm pretty sure that's a train right there, or a bandwagon. Also, you didn't put your reasoning in there, you just said that you voted him and agreed with other arguments.

Here is your vote for HH, no info given. How is that not a bandwagon jump?


Good Morning ACAsylum, it is a wonderful day today, I see little flowers floating in the sky... just like on Spongebob. Hey, is that Squidward?

BH continues to rag on Mael for voting HH, at least until it is pointed out that Mael initially posted a reason (see below).

There was another vote post? Fail, I totally missed it. Now I have to go back and see where it is sorry for the misunderstanding.

Well, I'm sort of seeing the case on HI IQ, but I also see the possible cases against Scoop and Nem. I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone quite yet, I'll re-read again and see what I come up with later. Going to be busy now.

Odd change of heart here. Mentions that there is a possible case against both scoop and Nem...did they forget that whole 75-90% evil thing the day before?

Also throws in HI IQ, a popular suspect at the time because of the deal with HH.

I have to say, this is pretty scummy. Your making something tiny (Scoop mentioning the threat of a set-up) and turning it into something big. I don't like it, and your giving me a scummy feeling because of that. Just seems like an attempt to make something small into something big.

Not at all. I don't see how it's being scummy, I was just saying what I thought on the subject. You seem pretty defensive for a guy who hasn't done anything scummy. Guilty Conscience?

Well, since we're both on your suspect list then I'm sure that you'll automatically see ever possible connection. That's why I don't keep scum lists, they just distract me. So, what about my defense of Scoop was amusing? "Just like scum would do"- how is that not trying turn to it right back on me "just like scum would do"? Sheesh... I saw something, and I posted about it. Your the one who seems to be making a big deal about it...

Now BH's attention turns to Tib.

I vote to lynch Tib for all the reasons previously stated, aka:

Making something small into something big (which gives me a scummy feeling about him), Overly defensive (I said something accusing him of evil, he jumped on me for it, tried to turn it back at me), cut his losses (by going from Scoop, a lone vote that didn't matter, to DDay), by creating an excuse for not being here nightfall (like a number of other people). Yes, I agreed with Scoop on the last two, which I wouldn't have noticed if he hadn't pointed them out. Does that make me evil?

Seems to be quite the strong reasoning to vote Tib here.

i thought they were pretty good posts.



as i said before, just because i vote with someone doesn't mean i think their innocent. it only means i think the other guy is evil.

i'm not having the greatest day of my life here. went biking yesterday for the first time since fall, and man am i outta shape... went to bed at 10, woke up at 12... have a headache, cough, and am still pooped... and, as if that wasn't enough, i ache everywhere. i am not in am mafia mood today...

as such, i vote to lynch no one in case i can't think enough to find a better choice. will review posts again, but idt that i will be getting anything better...

Here is the vote for no one.

late day 2 vote, from an unknown to a known innocent



comments on this, maybe distancing himself from evil?



again with the quiet before nightime post, seems weird he would bring it up twice...



how could you be confused about this? seems like your trying to play it dumb to me



seems to... happy



brings up the set up post again, seems like a good way to get scoop voted off without looking evil for it



uses the old "i did this so i can't be evil" argument...

Rounds it all off with a laugh and a shrug

ok, my brains about fried from that much thinking... i'll continue this later

The majority of this post is directed at Tib, who BH voted for the night before. It's pretty much a useless post. This isn't much longer after the vote for no one so even at the time if BH thought this was a good post at the time the next logical step would be a vote for Tib again...

@Wing: i'll try harder when i'm able to see without little dots flickering up in my eyes... and no, i shouldn't have posted at all, just wanted to help out, but it appears i failed at that... no surprise there... i'm going back to bed now, i may not be back till tomorrow....

Excuse for the no vote...

*groans* I hate mafia... "sleep" i tell myself "take it easy, watch tv" i tell myself "you need some rest" i tell myself. then i think "hmm... wonder how the games going?" and now i can curse myself for asking... well, i'm going to try to answer your questions and read you posts a little better. ate dinner, still feel like crap, but now i feel like better crap...



funny enough, i did...

besides that, i wasn't making cases insomuch as i was thinking out loud to see what others thought about it. and i admit, my post was, essentially, crap. i was firing on about half a piston, now i think i'm on 2, maybe. due to my brain not working, i guess i wasn't really doing to good at making connections... or making bad ones. well, anyway, i can see how stupid i made myself look in that post, please ignore the entire thing, if you can.



those "cases" were crap. i honestly don't know what i was thinking when i posted them and i doubt i ever will... lol, "what's going though BH's head? the world may never know..."



i was not intentionally twisting them out of context, sorry. my bad, i shouldn't have posted at the time, it only served to make me look like an idiot



again, the fluff was my half-a-piston brain not thinking strait. sorry. the no-vote was so i wouldn't ud, but i couldn't actually think of anything to vote someone for, again, half-a-piston. i made myself look like a scumbag, i'm sorry, feel free to vote me for it, only the town will suffer from that though.

now, as for who i think is evil... no lists for me, i go by posting only. so, i retract my vote on no one and vote to lynch gunslinger i agree with the case on him in post 898. i also find it a little unnerving that he hasn't posted yet today. what's he saving up for?

now, i need to go and force myself to stop thinking, it's giving me a headache...

More excuses about the previous posts being pretty much garbage. Blah, blah, blah.

Now BH turns to Gun and uses Chup's post about the possibility of Cnote knowing who Gun is and Gun seeing that as a threat as for why Cnote was hit. Not only is that the weakest reasoning to vote I have seen so far outside of maybe a couple D1 votes but I believe Chup said something about his own post being not really a case so much as something he was thinking about.

plus the "unnerving he hasnt posted yet" part... oh, and throw into that the gut feeling too, if you want. but i don't entirely trust my gut feelings anymore...

When questioned BH adds in something about a gut feeling for Gun...

@Rickets: Well, just post more today, okay? We all need to pitch in today or else the scum team may just kick our sorry bums... To the next post of yours, what do you mean by "Ug BH, multiquote, learn it, love it, use it."?

I also agree that No Votes are bad, but at the time I wasn't sure I would be able to post a vote, so I went with what I thought was a safe option.

Safe option for the town or the scum team? I'm leaning the latter.

In summary, I do not like how BH started out with Nem and scoop as such strong suspects and also then chastised those voting HH later on at the time. The next day their attention turned to Tib and they listed quite a bit for why they voted there. And then there was the whole no vote thing which makes no sense to me since previously BH had what seemed to be strong suspects, at least in their mind. The whole confused/uncertain card seemed to be played there and I dont buy that. I also do not see how they could go from those previous suspects to voting Gun because of a case that really was not a case at all.

And one last thing that bothers me about BH...I think it was twice they said they don't make lists (I will double check)...I cannot for the life of me remember anyone ever refusing to give a list of suspects in the game of mafia. They are right about one thing though, they certainly go with the posts except I cannot find any consistency in BH's gameplay at all.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Meh, found just one but that's enough...

Well, since we're both on your suspect list then I'm sure that you'll automatically see ever possible connection. That's why I don't keep scum lists, they just distract me. So, what about my defense of Scoop was amusing? "Just like scum would do"- how is that not trying turn to it right back on me "just like scum would do"? Sheesh... I saw something, and I posted about it. Your the one who seems to be making a big deal about it...

Funny how it all makes perfect sense why you can't even keep any consistency between suspects from day to day...

I also found this...the post below from wing is quoted by BH when he is looking for potential reasons why wing might have been hit.

wanted to bring both days final tallys for easier comparison

keep in mind

HH scum

star iq doom cnote all innocent I am going to bold innocent votes and italicize and make purple the 1 scum we know vote






Doom and star both voted scoop night 1. Doom was taken out by the vig so no help there. Scoops over reaction to his vote on Star and them being hit day 1 is something that would bear watching but i looked and see star was on scoop. could be something bigger to look out why he reacted that way



here we have scoop not wanting to commit to either for a vote on day 2. his vote was put on tib at a time the tally was 4-3 IQ.
what becomes more interesting on day 2 is that 3 toes moved off IQ to driver after IQ got a fifth vote and Gun moved off Doom when doom got the third vote
BH also followed scoop to Tib
none of them wanted to be associated with an innocents death, sure gun didn't know the vig was going to hit doom but they also made sure if there was a run on doom they were going to get caught up in it.

my main focus will be
scoop
bh
3toes
gun

but it will have to wait till tomorrow

Look at the list...then look at the bold below...

Okay, I'm looking through Wing_Nut's posts to see if I can't find out who would want him dead. So bear with me.



Scoop and Rickets on top of his list.




Wing goes after scoop pretty hard here, if the hit was sent in this early (doubtful) scoop could have been responsible, for obvious reasons.



Looks at 3toes a little, unlikely this has anything to do with his being hit.



Scoop and Rickets top 2, and he went after Scoop more. Either one could have been responsible, but again, I doubt the mafia sent the hit in this early.



Adds driver to the list, due to his not helping. Votes Scoop.



Changes and votes for Rickets, this is getting nearer to nightfall now. This could be when the evils chose their hit. Rickets would have wanted Wing gone so that he wouldn't make a good case against him, possibly.

So, from what I see above, Rickets or Scoop could be responsible for Wing getting hit, so that means I'm gonna look into them after I'm done with Driver.

Swing and a miss! The top two clearly were scoop and...*drum roll* Bad Haggis! Odd, now why would you want to misrepresent that list BH? Was it intentional???

Ok, so, in summary of my last couple posts, my "list", insofar as I have one, would be

Driver- told others to post and dig, but did none himself. He was here for most of day 3, but never once did he do any real digging. Pointed out the "we" have to dig, possibly because he wanted to fit in. Votes Gun for BS reason, then defends himself a little and vanishes.
Rickets- Didn't post much of anything all of day 3.

And that's my list right now.

BTW, while reading up, i couldn't help but notice that several people seemed to vanish at around the same time. I'll need to go back and check on that, see if there could be a connection.

Now this just cracks me up...first, BH says to Tib that lists are distracting but now they post a list.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Sorry for the flurry of posts there but based on what I've seen I have BH, driver, and Rick (probably in that order) as my top suspects. I think I am pretty much caught up by now.