Mafia 88: Insane Asylum (Game Thread)

[[AC] RICKETS]

A couple of cursory statements. 1) How horrible are these new forums? I hate them and the way multiquote works now is buggy and almost unusable for Mafia. 2) I spent this morning reading and rereading to come up with cases on a few people I suspect, but with the way everyone makes posts with 1,000 quotes it is very tedious to read all that, and when quotes are quoted and quoted again the material originally quoted isn't preserved making tracking a conversation near impossible. Plus the attitudes of "Soandsos posts are nothing but fluff" "Soandso is just posting BS".. I'm sick of it. Any post is better than no post at all. What seems trivial now can be the quote that seals a case on someone later on in the game... Ok I feel a bit better now after that rant, Game On.

Dang, I almost forgot. One question Rick, I don't believe you ever answered this.

On day 1 you placed your vote on O3T. Then had a gibberish post when he showed up. You then retracted your vote stating it served it's purpose that you were trying to get some posting or something from him.

As was asked of you WHY did you feel compelled to single him out for low posting when there were so many low posters at the time?

A straight answer would be appreciated.

I answered this... As I said last time which you didn't read, we were discussing the non-posters in general at the time, but several people specificly mentioned old3toes. Being day 1 I figured trying to get old3toes to post was as good of a use for a vote as any other reason someone is going to have at that point. I placed my vote and low and behold they showed up right after that. Seeing that old3toes was in the game, I retracted my vote that had no more reasoning than trying to get a non-poster in the game.

One more thing, I can also see the case for Rickets, it was odd that he called me out and then dropped it. So my top suspects are:

driver8
scoop
mael
gun
rickets

I voted for you to get you to post, I didn't "call you out" Way to rationalize a reason for adding me to your list without looking all OMGUSish, too bad that is exactly what it looks like. I have done a lot of apparently scummy looking things in the game, if this is the best reason you have for adding me, then I consider your entire suspect list ... suspect. See what I did there?

I know im voting with someone i think is scum, but i think rickets voted scoop quickly after night fall because he was mentioned as someone to look at. this was done thinking either we wouldn't look at scoop now or vote him. im betting rickets will move with enough votes on scoop or if not i will move to rickets.


BH i didn't say you shouldn't have posted but if you build cases against players and think at least one of them is scum you should have voted one of them instead of no one.

No I believe Scoop is most likely Mafia, and I still believe that today. Besides the wood/would business, the "now I will be set up" post rings phoney to me, much like those "Oh darn we lost soandso, I was sure they were scum" posts that come right after a bad nightfall.

I would be cool with getting rid of Rick, he hasn't done anything to help the town that I can see. Matter of fact I don't think he has been here since placing his vote.

As far as day 3 went I can agree with that. Prior to that I believe I was helpful whether people accept that or not is not up to me. Also, why am I a "he" now?

Nar, when are you going to contribute something solid to the town?

Rick, where have you been hiding? It is this kind of play that has you topping everyone's list.

Who else can I call out in my frustration? :wall:

Ha, I don't mind being on lists, it stops me from being hit by the scum. But funny enough, I too feel your frustration.

Ok, so we had a bad night.



He doesn't show up again till today... wow...




Ok, that seems reasonable. Still, would've been nice to have more then 2 posts for you the entire of day 3. And again, no one called him out on it. Why?

I was called out on it by a few folks, I honestly expected to return to find my death written out eloquently by Mad. I do appologize for being a ghost, the place I went had zero internets, I had time in the evenings to post but no way to do so.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

Ug BH, multiquote, learn it, love it, use it.

Also, I agree with those who think the No One votes are scummy and not pro-town. Votes are the BEST source of info for tracking scum as we learn peoples roles down the line. By voting no one you take away a tool to clear or condemn you.

 

[[AC] BadHaggis]

@Rickets: Well, just post more today, okay? We all need to pitch in today or else the scum team may just kick our sorry bums... To the next post of yours, what do you mean by "Ug BH, multiquote, learn it, love it, use it."?

I also agree that No Votes are bad, but at the time I wasn't sure I would be able to post a vote, so I went with what I thought was a safe option.

 

[[AC] Old3Toes]

It is in the rules, they says that the mafia started with 5, we lynched one so now there would be 4 scum left.

I should get in some time to read today and tomorrow and post my thoughts. I have a lot to look over so it might be a while before any good stuff comes from me.

Okay, I found it. I looked at the roles, but missed the number of people that got each role. To come up with 5 you have to add some numbers up.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

@Rickets: Well, just post more today, okay? We all need to pitch in today or else the scum team may just kick our sorry bums... To the next post of yours, what do you mean by "Ug BH, multiquote, learn it, love it, use it."?

I also agree that No Votes are bad, but at the time I wasn't sure I would be able to post a vote, so I went with what I thought was a safe option.

I was just commenting on your quintuple posts, no bigs, I don't actually mind it.

The safe option is allowing the Mafia more power in the votes, if I followed it correctly three people placed no votes, so you gave the Mafia more swing in which way the lynch went. That is my biggest problem with it. Every single person playing this game has probably helped lynch an innocent, it happens, it doesn't make anyone automatically scum. However, by not voting we can't say "oh, well X voted for 2 innocent and 2 mafia, Y voted for 4 innocents, therefore Y is more likely to be scum than X." Instead we have "X voted for 2 innocents and 2 mafia, and Y voted for one innocent and didn't vote three times." What does that tell us about X vs Y? Nothing.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

This is the day 1 final vote pattern

HH (8) - chup 277, wing 310, Tib 320, Nar 323, gold 363, Nem 368, Tree 383, mael 385
Nem (5) - Driver 261, HH 269, Gun 278, BH 292, HI IQ 361
Scoop (2) - wing 168, Doom 196, Star 274
C-note (1) - O3T 192
UhOh (1) - RICK 237
Doom (1) - UhOh 271
Tib (1) - C-note 272
Star (1) - scoop 297
O3T (0) - RICK 186
Gun (0) - BH 275
Chup (0) - HI IQ 295
Mael (0) - Nem 236
RICK (0) - HI IQ 322
Nar (0) - mael 240, gold 268

The purple is scum, lime is known innocent, red is retracted, red underline is retracted by a known innocent.

A couple of things interest me here. HH voted for Nem BEFORE there was a train running on themselves. See vote was post 269, whereas the first vote against HH was by chup in post 277. Knowing Nems role would make this much much easier but I will do a little bit of fuzzy logic on this and see where it goes. HH was the second vote on Nem, they never moved that vote, and it was done fairly early in the voting process, no clear front runners had been picked. In my opinion a scum would not place a second vote on a team mate this early on, that makes me lean Nem innocent. Since Driver made an inital singleton vote on Nem and never changed I think very little can be said about whether Driver is scum or innocent, once the other votes started coming in a vote change would make Driver look scummy.

IF Nem is Innocent, BH's vote in post 292 (moved from Gun, a known innocent, in post 275) looks super scummy. But it is still a relatively early vote on Nem as HH only has chup's vote at this time. However, if Nem is scum as well, I think that almost clears BH due to how early the vote is in the pattern.

Narwhals vote for HH in post 323 ties the vote between HH and Nem. Gold and High almost simulataneously vote, keeping it tied, they are both known innocents. Nem breaks the tie (a vote to save themselves), Tree followed shortly by mael seal the deal. I can't see Tree and Meal sealing the deal on a teammate with such a close vote and a chance for the tie. That makes me lean them innocent, again IF Nem is innocent. Natwhal however, looks scummy for initially tieing the vote up at 4, even though they voted for HH. The Tie=No lynch rule negates that fact. Their vote was esentially a vote for no lynch at the time.

Conclusions: It would be really nice to know Nems role... And analytically looking at votes, Narwhal looks the scummiest followed by BH.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

Before you ask the change in text color from blue to black is because I pasted the list and intial thoughts into wordpad and then made final thoughts in the post window where it all looks black.

 

[[AC] scoop411]

From what I've seen so far from BH is him leaning me (leaning might not be the strong enough word here) innocent, and then pointing out numerous times how Wing kept trying to get me lynched. (Theres a better word to be used there, I can't really think of it. Wing wasn't pushing too too hard IMO, but BH pointed it out as if he was) I don't like the contradiction between those two posts, IMO it looks like he's subtley trying to make a case against me. By calling me out after Wing's death and wings cases against me, he makes me look like scum. Then he goes and adds in a bunch of "insight" to how I've been playing, and leans me wicked innocent. (Not sure if he said that, but read the post "#997" and you'll see what I mean.

Still rereading, but what I've seen so far solidifies my vote on BH.

 

[[AC] scoop411]

@Rickets: Well, just post more today, okay? We all need to pitch in today or else the scum team may just kick our sorry bums...

That is a big, steaming load of BS. Your trying to hard to appear to be helping the town out, and it's not adding anything to the game while upping your post count and appearing helpful. Rickets should know that he has to pitch in more than yesterday, it's pretty obvious.

I really don't see any of the cases against Driver, but I guess I have to look back into it again.


I won't be here all day tommorow, as I'm going to a basketball game afterschool and won't be back until at least 8:30-9 EST. I have a ton of homework to do tonight, and I need to do some tank maintence too. I should be back on later tonight though...

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

I think at this point in the game we need a boost badly, we still have our doctor, and the Mafia have a Snoop. So our last strong PR, the detective is in big danger. If the Detective has a known Mafia result, I think they should come out. The doctor can protect them, we get a mafia. I see no real downside.