Mafia 88: Insane Asylum (Game Thread)

[[AC] scoop411]

I vote to lynch BH

 

[[AC] narwhal]

This is the day 1 final vote pattern

HH (8) - chup 277, wing 310, Tib 320, Nar 323, gold 363, Nem 368, Tree 383, mael 385
Nem (5) - Driver 261, HH 269, Gun 278, BH 292, HI IQ 361
Scoop (2) - wing 168, Doom 196, Star 274
C-note (1) - O3T 192
UhOh (1) - RICK 237
Doom (1) - UhOh 271
Tib (1) - C-note 272
Star (1) - scoop 297
O3T (0) - RICK 186
Gun (0) - BH 275
Chup (0) - HI IQ 295
Mael (0) - Nem 236
RICK (0) - HI IQ 322
Nar (0) - mael 240, gold 268

The purple is scum, lime is known innocent, red is retracted, red underline is retracted by a known innocent.

A couple of things interest me here. HH voted for Nem BEFORE there was a train running on themselves. See vote was post 269, whereas the first vote against HH was by chup in post 277. Knowing Nems role would make this much much easier but I will do a little bit of fuzzy logic on this and see where it goes. HH was the second vote on Nem, they never moved that vote, and it was done fairly early in the voting process, no clear front runners had been picked. In my opinion a scum would not place a second vote on a team mate this early on, that makes me lean Nem innocent. Since Driver made an inital singleton vote on Nem and never changed I think very little can be said about whether Driver is scum or innocent, once the other votes started coming in a vote change would make Driver look scummy.

IF Nem is Innocent, BH's vote in post 292 (moved from Gun, a known innocent, in post 275) looks super scummy. But it is still a relatively early vote on Nem as HH only has chup's vote at this time. However, if Nem is scum as well, I think that almost clears BH due to how early the vote is in the pattern.

Narwhals vote for HH in post 323 ties the vote between HH and Nem. Gold and High almost simulataneously vote, keeping it tied, they are both known innocents. Nem breaks the tie (a vote to save themselves), Tree followed shortly by mael seal the deal. I can't see Tree and Meal sealing the deal on a teammate with such a close vote and a chance for the tie. That makes me lean them innocent, again IF Nem is innocent. Natwhal however, looks scummy for initially tieing the vote up at 4, even though they voted for HH. The Tie=No lynch rule negates that fact. Their vote was esentially a vote for no lynch at the time.

Conclusions: It would be really nice to know Nems role... And analytically looking at votes, Narwhal looks the scummiest followed by BH.

When you say Tree and Mael seal the deal, actually it was Nem who sealed it. He was the vote that got HH the "win." My vote actually gave HH a tie (from behind, as did Nem. Tree and Mael added nothing other than extra numbers. To me, that makes Mael the most suspect by pure voting pattern. HIs vote meant the least, it's the easiest "hiding" vote. Tree could have gone towards Nem instead, but causing a tie so close to nightfall is dangerous. So, I think Tree is suspect as well. I don't mind you suspecting me, but think about what your facts point to.

 

[[AC] narwhal]

I think at this point in the game we need a boost badly, we still have our doctor, and the Mafia have a Snoop. So our last strong PR, the detective is in big danger. If the Detective has a known Mafia result, I think they should come out. The doctor can protect them, we get a mafia. I see no real downside.

As far as we know the mafia can still role block. So if the det comes out, they can block the doc and still get their kill.

 

[[AC] scoop411]

As far as we know the mafia can still role block. So if the det comes out, they can block the doc and still get their kill.

if the role blocker block is used, would that negate the mafia's actions too? What about the lynch?

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

When you say Tree and Mael seal the deal, actually it was Nem who sealed it. He was the vote that got HH the "win." My vote actually gave HH a tie (from behind, as did Nem. Tree and Mael added nothing other than extra numbers. To me, that makes Mael the most suspect by pure voting pattern. HIs vote meant the least, it's the easiest "hiding" vote. Tree could have gone towards Nem instead, but causing a tie so close to nightfall is dangerous. So, I think Tree is suspect as well. I don't mind you suspecting me, but think about what your facts point to.

The fact that your vote was the tie is what makes it so damning. Nem voted HH to save themselves, whether they really suspected HH or not is moot. And you are speaking in this post as if you are assuming Nem is innocent, whch is far from a given.

 

[[AC] RICKETS]

if the role blocker block is used, would that negate the mafia's actions too? What about the lynch?

No it says in the rules that the Mafia's actions still occur that night.

 

[[AC] narwhal]

Mafia One-Time Mass Role-Blocker

You are a Mafia Role Blocker planted in the asylum to keep the patients in line. On one one night only, you may adjust the medications of the patients, causing them to sleep, and not complete any night actions (investigation, protection, track or vig-kill). This will not affect your team's ability to complete night actions.

Note that only you have this ability, and if you die, the ability dies with you.

You are a member of the Mafia with player W, player X, player Y, and player Z. You may communicate with them outside the thread, at any time. If you should die, you may no longer communicate with any of them.

Looks like scum kill goes through, as does lynch, but town PRs are blocked.

 

[[AC] narwhal]

The fact that your vote was the tie is what makes it so damning. Nem voted HH to save themselves, whether they really suspected HH or not is moot. And you are speaking in this post as if you are assuming Nem is innocent, whch is far from a given.

Please explain how I am assuming Nem is innocent?

I really don't follow how my vote on HH is a scummy vote?

 

[[AC] narwhal]

I think at this point in the game we need a boost badly, we still have our doctor, and the Mafia have a Snoop. So our last strong PR, the detective is in big danger. If the Detective has a known Mafia result, I think they should come out. The doctor can protect them, we get a mafia. I see no real downside.

You want the Det to come out...

No it says in the rules that the Mafia's actions still occur that night.

And you know the rules...

 

[[AC] scoop411]

You want the Det to come out...

I would hope that this forum makes it a safe and understanding place for anyone to come out