Mafia #90-The Split

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

So now with DDs there is a tie between myself and IQ, a tie results in no lynch.

So Bally, why did you move to ensure a lynch? If you were innocent, and I saw absolutely zero reasoning by you to vote Hi IQ, with as few innocents as are left, don't you think it would be prudent to let there be no lynch? The only ones no lynch would hurt are scum, and now we know Hi IQ is not scum, so it is reasonable to assume scum wanted to benefit from a lynch (one less player, doesn't matter if they're an innocent or scum from the other team).

They got me boys, they got me.

Sorry to see you go Rich. Sucks to lose you too, Hi IQ.

So far I have seen this:

Star and Gold are seriously tag-teaming here. And getting away with it. Honestly, they have practically been in-game teammates.

Zaffy and Doll have posted almost nothing of use, but then, neither had HIIQ, and I was wrong on him so... I dunno. Zaffy did muddy up the waters a little, so that's a hit against him...

Bally has screwed up, made herself scummy, and most certainly not made herself look or behave pro-town.

Kashta hasn't posted much, but as usual her posts seem pro-town. But she's such a good player she could easily be fooling me here. I'm just going to take it carefully around her.

That's what I've got on everyone so far. Now, I was dead wrong on HIIQ, so I may not be right about this, but...

I vote to lynch Zaffy for general unhelpfullness (most of his posts have been fluff), making minor attempts at getting people voted off (post 89), and for muddying the waters (post 127).

What do you guys think about his general unhelpfullness and the other reasons I posted?

FF, this post is pretty non-committal towards a lot of people. At this point, if you are innocent, you have a 2/3 shot of naming scum. They outnumber townies. Time to take a bit more of a stance imo.

My take on your thoughts: GL and I seem to be seeing similar things. Do I trust him? No. Do I trust anyone? No. I agree that DD and Zaffy haven't added much. DD is actually contributing more than I'm used to, is that because she has a scum role? Looking at the votes pre-nightfall, I'm actually thinking DD/Bally may be a scum team. I want to trust Kash, but I always want to trust Kash. Her little dig at me has me thinking she is scummy and wanting to set me up in the near future. As far as you go FF, I want to think you are pro-town, you appear to be digging. But at this point, with 67% of you all scum, I can't trust anyone.

My list, from most likely to least likely scum:
Bally
DD
Kash
Zaffy
FF
GL
SC

I just got online, kind of a bad day. I'm sorry I missed nightfall. I had no intention of missing it.

Any reason you didn't even bother to vote? Didn't want to be accountable for voting out anyone?

I think it seems like you're floating ideas and trying to rally people to give them validity. I would love to see a run off between you and Bally night 2.

I would love to see a run off between Bally and pretty much anyone, though I'd prefer it be someone in orange on my list.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

This post isn't about what I've said, it's about what you want people to think about me.


(1) You've played with me long enough to know this is sarcasm. At that point in the game there was no reason to think that you were scummy.

(2) Yes, I did agree with you. But on what did we agree? You declined to mention that. What I was agreeing with is that the scum teams will go to great lengths to fool the town. This includes but is not limited to sacrificing teammates on night 1, role claiming, and making misleading posts.

(3) That's just me clarifying that I didn't see anything that led me to believe in any tin-foil shenanigans yet. It's fully possible that I could agree that I've seen something happen, but not currently be seeing it now. Don't you agree?

(4) You have no comment on the content? just play by play?

(5) Again, clarifying. There's nothing to defend. It's called discussion.

It seems to me that you've got an agenda.

That's some nice defense there Zaffy. Care to post thoughts on everyone?

 

[Zaffy]

Zaffy, I'm interested in if you have any thoughts for who would have been chosen for either team...

I'd have probably picked you, because you're a survivor. You don't tend to attract too much attention too much and when you do you can roll out of it pretty well usually.

FF and Bally would have given me some thought.

I'd be afraid to pick Kash or the wiz because they are often early hits.

I'm torn on the Aliases, they could be anyone like LBF, but that also means they could be someone like JL.

 

[Zaffy]

Um, no, 3 lines. Just to make it extra clear, I'm using a mac with about a 1ft wide screen. So, again, it all depends on A)The size you have your wording at, B)Size of screen, C) type of computer

The I showed up and you all started looking at me. And that's where my investigation ends. Lousy last post, eh? SO, here is what I have out of this whole thing.

Bally skimmed, voted for a bad reason, screwed up days and numbers, and posted an "excuse" that she rendered invalid in her very next post.

Gold_Leader and Star_Crossed, collectively, saw this, and went on the offensive. Maybe the fact that did so almost simultaneously and saw almost identical things is just coincidence... I doubt it, but that's just me. They managed to get Bally to spill that she skimmed, which could have been an attempt to get others to just think her entire set of posts were stupid and unworthy of noticing. Or just trying to make up a reason her vote was stupid (i've done that).

So, my opinion of this is that I don't think I'm going to have an opinion of it... that is I withdraw my vote on Gold_Leader because I do not think they are mafia. I do not think that Bally is mafia either, so I won't vote her. I don't think Star is all that evil anymore either now.

However, the really low posters, or the fluff posters, those are people I will look into next, right after I finish my English stuff.

Day 1 fluff. Acceptable.



Response to the UDs



This is either day 1 fluff or really good distancing... Ima go with day 1 fluff.





This is another wad of day 1 fluff. Long after the real day 1 fluff has ended.



Basically, HIIQ just mass-quotes Gold_Leader then posts nothing about them but a tiny little bit of what may very well be distancing. Interesting.

So, HIIQ, do you have anything do add to day one? Your saying that others have posted fluff, well, I say "Pot, meet kettle". You've posted more fluff in less posts then anyone else playing so far. That can't possibly be something a townie would do. And that little bit against Gold, that looks just like distancing to me. Does anyone else here see the distancing in that last of his few posts?

lol, I've covered everybody... wait, still didn't cover Bally from start, but I think I've made myself clear. I don't think she's evil, but I haven't written her off my list entirly.

So, now, I vote to lynch HI IQ for general unhelpfullness. Add something to the game and my vote may change.

Now, I've spent enough time on this game. I need to work on my English Junior Research Project, so I will not be back on for a little bit. Unless I can't resist the urge to post. Which is probable.

FF, let's get this clear. You thought Gold was innocent, then you thought HI IQ was distancing from Gold. So you voted for HI IQ... Don't scum usually distance themselves from Scum? You thought Hi IQ was distancing from someone you thought was scum, to actual townies distancing is an indication that two players are on the same team (meaning they are both scum).

You're not looking for scum though, because you already know who some are.


I vote to lynch FF

 

[Zaffy]

So Bally, why did you move to ensure a lynch? If you were innocent, and I saw absolutely zero reasoning by you to vote Hi IQ, with as few innocents as are left, don't you think it would be prudent to let there be no lynch? The only ones no lynch would hurt are scum, and now we know Hi IQ is not scum, so it is reasonable to assume scum wanted to benefit from a lynch (one less player, doesn't matter if they're an innocent or scum from the other team).



Sorry to see you go Rich. Sucks to lose you too, Hi IQ.



FF, this post is pretty non-committal towards a lot of people. At this point, if you are innocent, you have a 2/3 shot of naming scum. They outnumber townies. Time to take a bit more of a stance imo.

My take on your thoughts: GL and I seem to be seeing similar things. Do I trust him? No. Do I trust anyone? No. I agree that DD and Zaffy haven't added much. DD is actually contributing more than I'm used to, is that because she has a scum role? Looking at the votes pre-nightfall, I'm actually thinking DD/Bally may be a scum team. I want to trust Kash, but I always want to trust Kash. Her little dig at me has me thinking she is scummy and wanting to set me up in the near future. As far as you go FF, I want to think you are pro-town, you appear to be digging. But at this point, with 67% of you all scum, I can't trust anyone.

My list, from most likely to least likely scum:
Bally
DD
Kash
Zaffy
FF
GL
SC



Any reason you didn't even bother to vote? Didn't want to be accountable for voting out anyone?


I would love to see a run off between Bally and pretty much anyone, though I'd prefer it be someone in orange on my list.

This kinda bothers me. I think a no lynch hurts the town more than helps it. We'd have learned nothing from a no lynch. Now we at least have a voting record that we can use to see what's what.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

This kinda bothers me. I think a no lynch hurts the town more than helps it. We'd have learned nothing from a no lynch. Now we at least have a voting record that we can use to see what's what.

It bothers you that we ended up losing an innocent? That someone really really scummy (from everything I have seen) is the kill vote on him? That it benefits scum to vote out someone? That all bothers you? We still had a voting record, there just wouldn't have been the loss of Hi IQ.

You know what bothers me? That you didn't vote. That you didn't answer my question as to why you didn't vote. It's right there in the quote of mine you pulled above. Is Bally your teammate?

 

[Fishfriend1]

You honestly think I was rallying the town to vote for you in post #89? Clearly your sarcasm meter is broken. As for post 129, why are you so sensitive about my questioning DD about her thoughts on you? If you're not scum then you have nothing to worry about.

What I thought at the time was that you were laying down the infrastructure for targeting me. I see now it was a trap, not the frame for one. You were not asking DD about me, specifically, you were asking her to speculate as to who people would have picked on their team. That was sheer speculation, nothing to back it up but people opinions on the matter. It would have done nothing to help the town, and until we get at least 1 evil, it will continue to do nothing help the town.

I think it seems like you're floating ideas and trying to rally people to give them validity. I would love to see a run off between you and Bally night 2.

Well, I am floating ideas. I honestly don't think anyone will find anything valid in them, after the HIIQ screwup I don't really know what to think... so I'm asking the town. Care to answer?

This post isn't about what I've said, it's about what you want people to think about me.

(1) You've played with me long enough to know this is sarcasm. At that point in the game there was no reason to think that you were scummy.

(2) Yes, I did agree with you. But on what did we agree? You declined to mention that. What I was agreeing with is that the scum teams will go to great lengths to fool the town. This includes but is not limited to sacrificing teammates on night 1, role claiming, and making misleading posts.

(3) That's just me clarifying that I didn't see anything that led me to believe in any tin-foil shenanigans yet. It's fully possible that I could agree that I've seen something happen, but not currently be seeing it now. Don't you agree?

(4) You have no comment on the content? just play by play?

(5) Again, clarifying. There's nothing to defend. It's called discussion.

It seems to me that you've got an agenda.

1) I was looking at your posts from a late day 1 perspective. I see shadows in broad daylight, and with 4/3 people scum, I will not be trusting you. At all. And no, I do not think that there was sarcasm in that post. I think there was a hidden attempt to get me in trouble with the town. You expected me to "overreact" (which I have a tendency to do)(and may have done) and then you would make your "why so serious" play and get me lynched. It's a pretty foolproof plan, actually.

2)Ok, so you were agreeing with me that scum would not hesitate to dump each other down the drain. I had actually forgotten that part lol. Nothin wrong with that, I saw "I agree" after "I think your scum" and didn't bother to read the rest. My bad.

3) Don't play mind games with me, I'm not good at them. Doing so is something a mafia member would want to do, don't YOU agree? Confuse the town and all that.

4) Well, it WAS a question to DD, not me... and no, I do not think I'm evil. Bally I'm not 100% sure is innocent, but not sure enough that she's evil to vote her either.

5) I was listing all of your posts to see where you had helped the town. You hadn't. Funny, how the moment someone makes a serious attack on you, you are suddenly all "helpful" and active, but when no one was bothering you you were fine not saying anything.

So Bally, why did you move to ensure a lynch? If you were innocent, and I saw absolutely zero reasoning by you to vote Hi IQ, with as few innocents as are left, don't you think it would be prudent to let there be no lynch? The only ones no lynch would hurt are scum, and now we know Hi IQ is not scum, so it is reasonable to assume scum wanted to benefit from a lynch (one less player, doesn't matter if they're an innocent or scum from the other team).

Sorry to see you go Rich. Sucks to lose you too, Hi IQ.

FF, this post is pretty non-committal towards a lot of people. At this point, if you are innocent, you have a 2/3 shot of naming scum. They outnumber townies. Time to take a bit more of a stance imo.

My take on your thoughts: GL and I seem to be seeing similar things. Do I trust him? No. Do I trust anyone? No. I agree that DD and Zaffy haven't added much. DD is actually contributing more than I'm used to, is that because she has a scum role? Looking at the votes pre-nightfall, I'm actually thinking DD/Bally may be a scum team. I want to trust Kash, but I always want to trust Kash. Her little dig at me has me thinking she is scummy and wanting to set me up in the near future. As far as you go FF, I want to think you are pro-town, you appear to be digging. But at this point, with 67% of you all scum, I can't trust anyone.

My list, from most likely to least likely scum:
Bally
DD
Kash
Zaffy
FF
GL
SC

Any reason you didn't even bother to vote? Didn't want to be accountable for voting out anyone?

I would love to see a run off between Bally and pretty much anyone, though I'd prefer it be someone in orange on my list.

First off, wouldn't it be a 3/2 shot, if they outnumber the townies? But that's unimportant. Just because I am more likely to land on an evil player doesn't mean I will. I cannot assume they are innocent, but I cannot assume they are evil. Assuming ether way will not win the game for the town. And I am taking more of a stance. I have voted Zaffy, for general unhelpfullness.

FF, let's get this clear. You thought Gold was innocent, then you thought HI IQ was distancing from Gold. So you voted for HI IQ... Don't scum usually distance themselves from Scum? You thought Hi IQ was distancing from someone you thought was scum, to actual townies distancing is an indication that two players are on the same team (meaning they are both scum).

You're not looking for scum though, because you already know who some are.


I vote to lynch FF

I did say I though Gold was innocent. But, considering that there are so many evils here, I cannot say that Gold IS innocent Therefor, when I saw something that could have been distancing, I noted it for later. Had HIIQ turned evil, I would have continued the thought, but they didn't so the idea is useless to me. BTW, even if I was scum I would still be looking for scum. There are 2 teams this game, remember?

 

[Fishfriend1]

BTW, on the bit about HIIQ and Gold distancing, I did not include that in my reason for voting him. I voted him for the same reason I voted you: general unhelpfullness.

 

[Kashta]

Leaving for work in just a few minutes so I'll catch up from there when I can sneak on.

 

[[AC] gold leader]

Wow... slow day. Not seeing much to change my mind though. The banter between Zaffy and FF is interesting though.