Mafia 94: When Gingers Attack; the play

[TwoHobbies]

So I went back through Kash's post and pulled some things I found interesting.

Okay, so...

1. With a lot of posting, it's hard to find scum because of that.

I do agree it's hard to catch on to them as it happens real-time. However, the beauty of this game is that the forum format becomes an unchanging archive that documents everything everyone says. Then as information is learned from voting records and nightfall results, we get to review who said what from the beginning. And THAT's when the scummy posts begin to stand out.

Pir, do you ever go back and re-read the game thread?

2. More experienced mafia players are better at laying low.

Actually, the opposite point is more significant. It's the inexperienced players who seem to think laying low is safer when they're scum, IMO. And that's often a good tip-off for us to look at them closer. More accomplished mafia players are very good at being evil and still post a LOT at the same time like they usually do... they even post aggressively and still not draw anyone's suspicion.

3. And again, you come back to the word, "commotion." I don't think Plant actually said that.

This is her day one vote.

That's it for now. Wish I could be here during the day tomorrow to see what else happens.



As it stands right now, I'm hard pressed to find a compelling suspect. Overall, I think a few people seem real suspicious for not making any effort to help us in the time they've been present (based on posts made).

I vote to genetically test Chill.

I think Chill has been the least helpful poster thus far. This is basically a gut call based on a real low signal-to-noise ratio from him.

When he's a townie, Chill is quite good at scum digging. But I have yet to see him even start doing this. He's given us lots of fun role play stuff, posted music videos, and tended bar. Thanks for all that, Chill... but I already have a great bartender so I won't be needing you for that.

I'd much rather have you helping us poke around for clues to find those without souls.

I would also just like to point out that as of nightfall day 1 Zaffy, Pir, and Chill had votes on her.

Her vote on day two

Sneaking online from work long enough to post a vote. This being Friday, I hope the others will leave at quitting time. If any way possible, I'll be back before nightfall.

Dawg contributed to that overall impression Plant was "constantly harping" about low posters, though mentioned that the content part made sense. Good way to help get others to vote her without doing so himself. Then after Plant was dead and revealed innocent, Dawg told Pappy that Plant was cleared in his mind before the lynch. Okay, so where did Dawg actually say that in such terms anywhere before she died?

Interesting to note that while Chill didn't bother to explain his OMGUS vote on me and created a 3 way tie with his vote, Dawg suggested that was good strategy. (Debatable point there... lmao.)

Then Dawg supported the theory that Jessica must have been afraid to use the syrum because she misunderstood the rules and was afraid it might kill her if it failed. Seriously, Dawg, what made you think the gingers wouldn't discuss their powers fully in their scumden? And what prevented them from simply PMing the game mod over any confusion they have?

I vote to genetically test Dawg. When Dawg consistently supports unsubstantiated theories, it's a real good sign he's evil.

At nightfall day two Chill was her only vote, but as I recall he said he just left his night one vote the same because he didn't have time to play. It should be noted that Dawg had a vote on her, but had to move it late to try and save himself.

Saturday morning she posted this.

I'm just glad it's the weekend, finally. I'll be on and off all day giving the thread a full read-through.

Here is her vote post.

Only so many quotes I could click on at once without getting lost in them. To cover it all, I'd have to quote full pages here.



The way Lady G switched her vote from you to Dawg and now you pulling this stunt protecting Lady G. I just don't see this stuff today happening by accident.

You've come up with some wild ideas before, 2H, but this takes the cake.





Definitely saying anything he can to shift votes off Lady G. You're also taking a threatening tone there, 2H.



Using this approach at this stage of the game, how do you expect anyone to believe you?



Agree.





Exactly right, DD. As an innocent, 2H is hurting his own credibility. As scum, this turnabout tells me that Lady G is more valuable to the gingers than 2H is... they must consider him expendable.



Agree.

I vote to genetically test Lady G.

So after reading through the whole thead see doesn't question one thing Wiz posted.

I also noticed this from Chill right before nightfall, but I'm not exactly sure what he meant.

What about you Kash going down with the ship?

 

[TwoHobbies]

I can see you missing once in a while Kash, we all do, but at this point it's clear you are either a Ginger, or a townee who is killing the town.
Every time you kick a bush a townee falls out.

 

[jpappy789]

I would suggest Kash is more scum because of her vote against Dawg and the jump on Wiz when it didn't matter.

Right now I see a team of Kash and DD. I think they tried to get G lynched last night in order to railroad 2H today for the win. It would be too easy to think AAF was the third with how focused he has been on 2H and G being teammates but I'm not ruling that out. Razz's latest responses seem off to me too. And Rich is still on my list but he and DD scuffled a bit yesterday...distancing?

That being said it worries me 2H that you specifically said you were going to build a weak case on Kash after voting her.

I have to work tonight and will likely miss nightfall. My vote will be coming shortly.

 

[TwoHobbies]

That being said it worries me 2H that you specifically said you were going to build a weak case on Kash after voting her.

Yes pap I can see were that doesn't look good, I actually spent a bunch of time looking back over the thread last night making notes. That is why I started out today saying I could actually make a weak case for every person left.

My intention was to get my vote out for anyone who logged in to see. Being at work I had no idea how long, or how much time I would have today to move my thoughts from my notes to the thread.

 

[TwoHobbies]

It's scarry quiet for a 24 hour day. Did everyone give up?

I've got like two more hours to play today.

 

[Lady G]

I vote to genetically test Kashta

First off, thanks for the help yesterday Chill. I fully believe without your input this game was lost.

I won't have a lot of time to play today, and nightfall is tonight. I also don't expect to be around tonight. Maybe I'll be able to get on before nightfall, but no promises. I will try my best to get on to change my vote to support the town if needed.

I will also do my best during the day today to make a weak case on Kash. Truth be told at this point given enough time I could make a weak case on all remaining players.

I don't know 2H..yes, I can see what you are saying but at the same time I can't help but think Kash is to good of a player NOT to call Wizard out if they were on a team together. At that point Wiz was being questioned and I would think she is a good enough player to know she needed to put something out there about him.

 

[Lady G]

I have been reading and rereading and I am going in circles, it seems everything just keeps going back to 2H and Rich for me, now I know it sounds crazy as they were both going after Wizard...but they had gained a new team mate and Wizards power had been used, he could of been a "key" to help whichever to look good after he was gone and he took one for the team.

I don't like how 2H was so sure I am innocent (don't get me wrong, I'm glad cause I would be gone right now), but it is un nerving to me he put the whole "vote me instead" thing out there, I really don't think he thought the town would do it. At the same time it was such a big risk...I just don't know.

As for Rich..it appeared he "knew" 2H was innocent, at the time 2H was being looked at quite a bit, thats a easy way for a evil to try to look good if someone they know is innocent and being looked at.

I don't think I'm willing to believe they are both evil, and I'm not FULLY sure either are, but something isn't right in this circle of Wizard, Rich and 2H.

 

[TwoHobbies]

I don't know 2H..yes, I can see what you are saying but at the same time I can't help but think Kash is to good of a player NOT to call Wizard out if they were on a team together. At that point Wiz was being questioned and I would think she is a good enough player to know she needed to put something out there about him.

Completly agree, like I said a weak case. I'm not married to it, but Zaffy, Dawg, and Chill also saw something. I can't explain her vote on you either. I was actually hoping someone whould have something today that would blow me away. If you can find/make a stronger case on someone I'm open to it.

I really wish Chill would have sharred his other invest with us. I can only guess it was on someone out of the game.

 

[Lady G]

Completly agree, like I said a weak case. I'm not married to it, but Zaffy, Dawg, and Chill also saw something. I can't explain her vote on you either. I was actually hoping someone whould have something today that would blow me away. If you can find/make a stronger case on someone I'm open to it.

I really wish Chill would have sharred his other invest with us. I can only guess it was on someone out of the game.

Since it was obvious he knew he was going next, I'm sure he would of shared if it was something we could use. There's no way he would of went out knowing something that could of helped us

 

[TwoHobbies]

I have been reading and rereading and I am going in circles, it seems everything just keeps going back to 2H and Rich for me, now I know it sounds crazy as they were both going after Wizard...but they had gained a new team mate and Wizards power had been used, he could of been a "key" to help whichever to look good after he was gone and he took one for the team.

I don't like how 2H was so sure I am innocent (don't get me wrong, I'm glad cause I would be gone right now), but it is un nerving to me he put the whole "vote me instead" thing out there, I really don't think he thought the town would do it. At the same time it was such a big risk...I just don't know.

As for Rich..it appeared he "knew" 2H was innocent, at the time 2H was being looked at quite a bit, thats a easy way for a evil to try to look good if someone they know is innocent and being looked at.

I don't think I'm willing to believe they are both evil, and I'm not FULLY sure either are, but something isn't right in this circle of Wizard, Rich and 2H.

I saw last night as a do or die for the town. If we lose 2 more, its 5,4 town and we have no chance. I have a very strong feeling you are innocent, I do not know for a fact. If I remember at the time of my "vote me" post you already had a few votes. (4 I think)
You are right I didn't think the town would do it, but I was hoping to at least draw a couple of votes from you to me to give us better odds at getting Wiz.
The Gingers had us set up for a last minute vote swap to get you out. I saw it, and so did Chill. My plan failed, and if Batman (Chill) didn't come flying out of the dark to save the town we would all be dead today.