Mafia #98: The Grinch Returns -- The Play

[IceH2O]

Ice, I didn't put 2H in the lead. I tied 2H with UN after Kash initially broke the tie. Rich voted Dun which made it a 3-way tie again.



Either way I don't necessarily agree with FF's theory.

My bad, I forgot all about the votes on UN as I was just answering to FFs theory.


I find it interesting though that FF also left out UNs voters. FF why is that? Does Kash putting UN into the lead over 2H and Dun not mean anything?


I'm going to retract my vote on UN

Think I need to reread and look with a more open mind.

 

[user_name]

Woot woot! Thank you for the present, evils, bet you're all very upset with yourselves now. But don't feel too bad, it cheered most of us up



Yes, you made the case after voting UN, but why not vote me since you had a case (however bad) against me, rather then UN for having an OMGUS vote? What I do find a little funny is how he was aiming to put the spotlight on me, but ended up pointing it the wrong way.

Okay, I have something to say in relation to Rich being unlynchable. He pretty much is. Last game, when he was evil, I couldn't find a single reason to vote him all game long. whenever I can invest someone, I always check him in the first few days of the game. He's probably one of the best at not being readable. I do not fully understand why 2H was lynched over something like that, it was day one and his reason was better then mine (because UN needed a vote). That's just my opinion on it.

Now, I have some quick re-readinging to do before I start with large posts. I'm also in school, so I may not get another post out for a few hours.

Are you talking about me or Dun trying to put you in the spotlight?

 

[user_name]

Yeah, my vote on UN was mostly random and some general annoyance regarding JV play styles.

1. 2H's lynch vote for someone unlynchable thing was garbage. I agreed with the comments already posted but didn't comment further because it was already addressed. What hadn't been said yet (unless I missed it) was suggesting we lynch a player like Rich for a nonsense reason when it was equally possible Rich wasn't evil.... in which case that would hurt the town and greatly help the scum by eliminating the need to kill him themselves and possibly them not needing to invest him.

2. I read the stuff about Dun too and can see the concern about him contradicting himself by using one reason to vote (UN) which also applied to someone he didn't vote (FF) for the same reason. That's usually a good scum tell. Dun's vote just struck me as sincere more than sneaky. I felt the reason Dun gave for voting UN was probably honest. Didn't think he realized at the time of his vote that his reason for UN also applied to FF. Not great logic, of course, but it seemed truthful.... possibly because it was contradictory, which seemed true rather than contrived.

I didn't vote Rich or 2H. While I thought their choices were ill-advised, that doesn't always mean evil. In the end, I decided to break the tie to see if I could shake things up a little with just about 2 hours before nightfall. That seemed the best idea to me since others didn't seem to want to stick their necks out and risk drawing attention.

That put my pick between UN, Dun, and 2H. I settled on UN mainly because he OMGUSSed his vote on FF. JV players KNOW everyone looks at OMGUS votes as a possible scumtell... but they tend to do it anyway - and even call attention to it. Basically, I voted UN for being petty (no personal offense intended, UN) and unhelpful.... possibly being anti-game. He's the one who told us it was OMGUSSy but seemed to expect that to be acceptable simply because he mentioned the OMGUS word before anyone else did. Overall, that gave the impression he picked an easy place to vote without expecting to get looked at for it... instead of actually trying to help us.

Bear in mind that my vote did switch to Dun, I didn't leave my vote on FF. That vote was more to avoid a "JV" mistake like UDing, than anything.

 

[user_name]

When I say "that vote...." I'm refering to my original vote on FF

 

[user_name]

I'm also a bit confused on why anyone would even wonder about the hit being from scum or Frosty etc... It said scum lurking. Usually those pretending to be confused are the ones that took the shot. That would be: Dun UN and Bally

Ice, I can understand your inclusion of me and Dun on the list, but why Bally? She called out Rich for knowing right away, but didn't seem confused at all about the post.

 

[jpappy789]

Yeah, my vote on UN was mostly random and some general annoyance regarding JV play styles.

1. 2H's lynch vote for someone unlynchable thing was garbage. I agreed with the comments already posted but didn't comment further because it was already addressed. What hadn't been said yet (unless I missed it) was suggesting we lynch a player like Rich for a nonsense reason when it was equally possible Rich wasn't evil.... in which case that would hurt the town and greatly help the scum by eliminating the need to kill him themselves and possibly them not needing to invest him.

2. I read the stuff about Dun too and can see the concern about him contradicting himself by using one reason to vote (UN) which also applied to someone he didn't vote (FF) for the same reason. That's usually a good scum tell. Dun's vote just struck me as sincere more than sneaky. I felt the reason Dun gave for voting UN was probably honest. Didn't think he realized at the time of his vote that his reason for UN also applied to FF. Not great logic, of course, but it seemed truthful.... possibly because it was contradictory, which seemed true rather than contrived.

I didn't vote Rich or 2H. While I thought their choices were ill-advised, that doesn't always mean evil. In the end, I decided to break the tie to see if I could shake things up a little with just about 2 hours before nightfall. That seemed the best idea to me since others didn't seem to want to stick their necks out and risk drawing attention.

That put my pick between UN, Dun, and 2H. I settled on UN mainly because he OMGUSSed his vote on FF. JV players KNOW everyone looks at OMGUS votes as a possible scumtell... but they tend to do it anyway - and even call attention to it. Basically, I voted UN for being petty (no personal offense intended, UN) and unhelpful.... possibly being anti-game. He's the one who told us it was OMGUSSy but seemed to expect that to be acceptable simply because he mentioned the OMGUS word before anyone else did. Overall, that gave the impression he picked an easy place to vote without expecting to get looked at for it... instead of actually trying to help us.

Just a couple followup Qs...

If you felt 2H's vote was garbage why didn't that make you lean to voting there? Would you not consider that vote to be better placed (at the time) than a "random" one on UN?

How did Dun's reasoning for voting UN apply to FF as well? Dun voted UN for the OMGUS vote. FF didn't OMGUS.

 

[rich311k]

Isn't being "busy'' a good way to fly under the radar? If this had been brought up later in the game it might have been a valid point, but since it was in D1 is it not valid. Seems a bit of a double standard IMO. In reality FF is the only one who knows if he is truly busy are not, the rest of us can just speculate that he either is or is not.
This stuck out to me because you jump on Dun for IMPLYING FF isn't busy, do you in fact know that he is, thus making a possibly false implication worthy of a vote?

This post stuck out to me because Rich seemed to know right off the bat who the hit was, while seemingly the rest of the town was in confusion about if it was a frosty or Grinch hit.





The timing and content of these posts stuck out to me, they are possibly coincidental notable none the less.

It is the only logical conclusion given the rules and the circumstances.

 

[Lady G]

1st I think my reasoning was that reason. You can't just assume Rich is evil and by 2H posting what he posted it seemed like he was trying to get us to line up and lynch Rich because its hard to do so later.

Now if the reason was so garbage why did that put your pick between 2H Dun and UN?

I find your post to be a lot of contradiction 2of the 3 people you named as possible votes had reasons posted by you why you didn't vote them. According to the above post the only possible vote you could have made was UN.

You see 2H's vote on Rich to me, was more a joke vote to Rich...now had others actually followed him onto Rich and he didn't retract or explain that it was just a vote and he let a train start on Rich, yeah I could see it as trying to get Rich lynched. I don't really see where it was such a big deal personally. I need to go back again and look, did 2H respond to any of the votes on him, I can't remember seeing any?

Kash, I too wonder why it was so important to you to vote one of those three...yes I realize there was a tie, but from your post it "seems" as if you really didn't see a reason yet you did to vote any of them. You also stated that you didn't comment because everything had been stated already, then add what had not been said yet...why did you not say that at the time instead of waiting until after the fact?

 

[rich311k]

Bally was Pap confirming my thoughts a few minutes later suspicious too?

 

[IceH2O]

Ice, I can understand your inclusion of me and Dun on the list, but why Bally? She called out Rich for knowing right away, but didn't seem confused at all about the post.

She called him out for knowing it was the scum hit, if she knew it was the scum hit then why have a problem with Richs post?

You see 2H's vote on Rich to me, was more a joke vote to Rich...now had others actually followed him onto Rich and he didn't retract or explain that it was just a vote and he let a train start on Rich, yeah I could see it as trying to get Rich lynched. I don't really see where it was such a big deal personally. I need to go back again and look, did 2H respond to any of the votes on him, I can't remember seeing any?

Kash, I too wonder why it was so important to you to vote one of those three...yes I realize there was a tie, but from your post it "seems" as if you really didn't see a reason yet you did to vote any of them. You also stated that you didn't comment because everything had been stated already, then add what had not been said yet...why did you not say that at the time instead of waiting until after the fact?

His vote was the last time he showed up at all. I don't think a joke vote is appropriate less then 6 hrs till night fall when its all single votes at the time.



I haven't had time to reread the thread yet, my son just jumped off and I jumped on to see whats transpired since my last post. He wants back on.