Mafia #99: The ACville Files- Game Thread

[Kashta]

Were you mad when I voted FF here? Why'd you try to scare me off? Did you want Ice lynched and FF UDed?

No. Actually, I was glad you voted FF instead of me since I was close to lynching too. I don't mind taking a lynch myself whenever that happens but I'd prefer to stay in the game all the same.

At the time before nightfall I was undecided about Ice. Also thought it was weird that he was up for lynching so early in the game. That doesn't usually happen. When I saw you vote FF, my first reaction though was... what if you did that to save Ice? That would make you both scum together. And your very late vote looked suspicious. Ice was then confirmed innocent by the headline so of course that eliminates such a connection between you. Doesn't mean you're innocent though. All we know is Ice's role.

 

[IceH2O]

I'm not liking the way Kash is explaining why we shouldn't be voting players. 1st FF and now AFF....I know I wouldn't go out of my way that much unless they were a scum team mate or I knew they were innocent. FF was innocent I think AAF is scum.

Kash why doesn't it bother you that AAF has Dun being protown? Do you think Dun is being protown?

So you think its Zaffy Wiz and Dawg, who might be the 4th then?

Right now I'm thinking I am willing to vote AAF,Dun or Kash....Of the 3 probably Dun because I think if AAF is scum he will give us more info as we go,Kash I'd hate to be wrong on without more proof even though she is the most dangerous if scum.

I can't get AAF to answer WHY Dun is protown,maybe Kash would like to explain it for him lol...

I vote to send Dun to the loony bin

 

[the wizard]

What I would like to know, from everyone, are their thoughts on those who voted t2o confirmed innocents.

AAF, to be honest, I do believe that it was a fluke that he did that. From what I have seen in the game I believe that he is actually trying to get a grasp and learn to be helpful. I know that I went back and forth with him this morning but, I am hoping it helps him to learn how players view things and question others.

Zaffy, I am not getting all warm and fuzzy about you right now. I have posted my concerns and questions. One final question I have for you is you posted you think Dun is scum but your vote is on AAF. Why?

Noods, not thrilled with your "helpfulness" at this point either.

Dun, I am not sure, I reserve judgment until I see how or what he posts today. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for the time being and give him a chance to go through the game with a "clear head".

Wizard, you want the town looking at those who voted innocents. Period. You've said so yourself. AAF voted an innocent N2 (Ice). And sure enough, you gave the town a list asking everyone to comment about those people. AAF is on that list.

Therefore, it is your intention for us to look at him along with the 3 others you named. That makes it kinda hard to say you're not helping to put our focus there today, doesn't it?

To influence the town vote the way you and your team wants it go does not require you to list all those names as definitive suspects. If you did that, it'd be impossible for you to tap dance your way around being so "wrong" after we find out all their roles. No one on the scum team would be that dense no matter who they are... including you.

What I don't see from you, Wizard.... you won't even acknowledge there's a decent chance that innocents voted innocents. Not only does common sense tell us that's possible but actual game experience tells us it's very likely.

If you really were innocent, I find it hard to believe you would refuse to consider a valid possibility like that.... even after I brought this up. Look at you now. You still haven't admitted it might be a mistake for us to look only there without also considering a larger view.

Where do you factor in that possibility into your game strategy at all, oh-so-innocent Wizard? Nowhere that I can find.

My vote will be made whenever I'm ready to place it, tyvm. Until then I'll continue to evaluate what I find in the thread and what people post.

For your information kashta, the red part in my post above. Fluke means that IMO it was coincidental that AAF voted innocents both nights. Unless I am mistaken, that means that I agree that some innocents voted innocents.

You yourself stated that Zaffy in your opinion is scum. Zaffy voted innocents both nights.

When I posted that list I stated that I didn't think it was the scum team but it was a place to start. Nobody else was posting anything to lend direction including you.

As I asked before, are you trying for DD's title for skimming?

 

[Zaffy]

No. Actually, I was glad you voted FF instead of me since I was close to lynching too. I don't mind taking a lynch myself whenever that happens but I'd prefer to stay in the game all the same.

At the time before nightfall I was undecided about Ice. Also thought it was weird that he was up for lynching so early in the game. That doesn't usually happen. When I saw you vote FF, my first reaction though was... what if you did that to save Ice? That would make you both scum together. And your very late vote looked suspicious. Ice was then confirmed innocent by the headline so of course that eliminates such a connection between you. Doesn't mean you're innocent though. All we know is Ice's role.

If I was scum couldn't I have just voted Ice, or anyone else for that matter and then taken the UDs and Lynched Ice.

 

[the wizard]

If I was scum couldn't I have just voted Ice, or anyone else for that matter and then taken the UDs and Lynched Ice.

Unless you knew FF's role. Why you would invest FF D1 I have no idea but I gave up trying to understand your thought process a long time ago.

 

[dirtydawg10]

LOL. Because you want me to so bad.

Don't tell Wiz!!

 

[the wizard]

Don't tell Wiz!!

Too late.

 

[Zaffy]

Unless you knew FF's role. Why you would invest FF D1 I have no idea but I gave up trying to understand your thought process a long time ago.

Again, let him UD. He showed no signs of life until after nightfall., besides hit him if you want to be sure. Who would protect FF?

 

[Kashta]

I'm not liking the way Kash is explaining why we shouldn't be voting players. 1st FF and now AFF....I know I wouldn't go out of my way that much unless they were a scum team mate or I knew they were innocent. FF was innocent I think AAF is scum.

Kash why doesn't it bother you that AAF has Dun being protown? Do you think Dun is being protown?

So you think its Zaffy Wiz and Dawg, who might be the 4th then?

Right now I'm thinking I am willing to vote AAF,Dun or Kash....Of the 3 probably Dun because I think if AAF is scum he will give us more info as we go,Kash I'd hate to be wrong on without more proof even though she is the most dangerous if scum.

I can't get AAF to answer WHY Dun is protown,maybe Kash would like to explain it for him lol...

I vote to send Dun to the loony bin

Let me split these apart so my answers are easier to follow.

I'm not liking the way Kash is explaining why we shouldn't be voting players. 1st FF and now AFF....I know I wouldn't go out of my way that much unless they were a scum team mate or I knew they were innocent. FF was innocent I think AAF is scum.

That's fair. I can't say I'm totally comfortable with this either, to be honest. It might even get me lynched. Even so, after seeing you and FF in the tie N1 and both revealed innocent... then so many players laying blame for that primarily on the ones who voted you both while seeming to ignore much of anything else... I can't shake the feeling that scum wants us to vote based on an overreaction.

The trouble is until we actually lynch scum, we have no solid leads anywhere. So anyone who seems unwilling to consider different possibilities until we can find out more gives me a real strong scum vibe themselves.

Kash why doesn't it bother you that AAF has Dun being protown? Do you think Dun is being protown?

I have no clue which way to lean Dun at this point. I don't know how to read him accurately yet. Maybe AAF really thinks he's innocent, maybe he doesn't and just says so. I have no way of knowing.

What I can say is I haven't seen anything from either of them that screams scum to me... not yet anyway. At the same time, I don't think Dawg is innocent. Zaffy and Wizard are both real single-minded. Until we find out something more definitive I just can't decide everything about everyone all at once.

So you think its Zaffy Wiz and Dawg, who might be the 4th then?

The 4th is a toss up still for me. Could be almost anyone. I don't think it's AAF after seeing how strongly he got Inquisition-ed today. lol.

I got a real strong scum read on DD so that's still there for me to consider. She hasn't done squat in the game other than throw rocks at me for a while. If it's not her, it's got to be Dun, JB, Lab Rat, or Noods. Dun is an unknown... JB seems helpful but hasn't been getting into it with anyone like he does sometimes... Lab Rat I can't tell anything pro-town or scummy yet so she may be scum... and Noods has been practically non-existent. I know it's not you, but that's about it.

Right now I'm thinking I am willing to vote AAF,Dun or Kash....Of the 3 probably Dun because I think if AAF is scum he will give us more info as we go,Kash I'd hate to be wrong on without more proof even though she is the most dangerous if scum.

I totally understand, Ice. If I could just agree with your suspects and leave other issues alone that would make this easier for me, you, and everyone else, I'm sure. It's just for as long as I'm still alive in the game, I have to call things as I see it and make sure I put these things into the thread so it'll be there for comparison once we finally start finding out more information from nightfall results.

I can't tell you if I'm right or wrong about anyone. Wish I could.

I can't get AAF to answer WHY Dun is protown,maybe Kash would like to explain it for him lol...

Haha. I'll try to think up something clever on that.

 

[Kashta]

For your information kashta, the red part in my post above. Fluke means that IMO it was coincidental that AAF voted innocents both nights. Unless I am mistaken, that means that I agree that some innocents voted innocents.

You yourself stated that Zaffy in your opinion is scum. Zaffy voted innocents both nights.

When I posted that list I stated that I didn't think it was the scum team but it was a place to start. Nobody else was posting anything to lend direction including you.

As I asked before, are you trying for DD's title for skimming?

Okay Wizard. You and I don't seem to agree about much of anything this round. I think you're playing a scummy game so I don't expect we are on the same side anyway. Repeating all that again isn't going to help matters any way.

Zaffy voted innocents both nights. Good for him. I guess that makes him innocent then... or it makes you innocent... or something. Whatever you say.

On that being a "place to start"... it was a combination of that (which was too easy/obvious for me) plus the way you and others tore into AAF earlier is what gave me a bad feeling about you and them.

Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong on that.