Mafia #99: The ACville Files- Game Thread

[the wizard]

Let me split these apart so my answers are easier to follow.

I'm not liking the way Kash is explaining why we shouldn't be voting players. 1st FF and now AFF....I know I wouldn't go out of my way that much unless they were a scum team mate or I knew they were innocent. FF was innocent I think AAF is scum.

That's fair. I can't say I'm totally comfortable with this either, to be honest. It might even get me lynched. Even so, after seeing you and FF in the tie N1 and both revealed innocent... then so many players laying blame for that primarily on the ones who voted you both while seeming to ignore much of anything else... I can't shake the feeling that scum wants us to vote based on an overreaction.

The trouble is until we actually lynch scum, we have no solid leads anywhere. So anyone who seems unwilling to consider different possibilities until we can find out more gives me a real strong scum vibe themselves.

Kash why doesn't it bother you that AAF has Dun being protown? Do you think Dun is being protown?

I have no clue which way to lean Dun at this point. I don't know how to read him accurately yet. Maybe AAF really thinks he's innocent, maybe he doesn't and just says so. I have no way of knowing.

What I can say is I haven't seen anything from either of them that screams scum to me... not yet anyway. At the same time, I don't think Dawg is innocent. Zaffy and Wizard are both real single-minded. Until we find out something more definitive I just can't decide everything about everyone all at once.

So you think its Zaffy Wiz and Dawg, who might be the 4th then?

The 4th is a toss up still for me. Could be almost anyone. I don't think it's AAF after seeing how strongly he got Inquisition-ed today. lol.

I got a real strong scum read on DD so that's still there for me to consider. She hasn't done squat in the game other than throw rocks at me for a while. If it's not her, it's got to be Dun, JB, Lab Rat, or Noods. Dun is an unknown... JB seems helpful but hasn't been getting into it with anyone like he does sometimes... Lab Rat I can't tell anything pro-town or scummy yet so she may be scum... and Noods has been practically non-existent. I know it's not you, but that's about it.

Right now I'm thinking I am willing to vote AAF,Dun or Kash....Of the 3 probably Dun because I think if AAF is scum he will give us more info as we go,Kash I'd hate to be wrong on without more proof even though she is the most dangerous if scum.

I totally understand, Ice. If I could just agree with your suspects and leave other issues alone that would make this easier for me, you, and everyone else, I'm sure. It's just for as long as I'm still alive in the game, I have to call things as I see it and make sure I put these things into the thread so it'll be there for comparison once we finally start finding out more information from nightfall results.

I can't tell you if I'm right or wrong about anyone. Wish I could.

I can't get AAF to answer WHY Dun is protown,maybe Kash would like to explain it for him lol...

Haha. I'll try to think up something clever on that.

I will state this one more time. I will lend you my glasses so you can read it if necessary or bring out big sparkly letters. I said to look at those that voted KNOWN INNOCENTS BOTH NIGHTS. I did not say look at those who voted Ice and FF.

I find it interesting that you have managed to "miss" that as many times as I have stated it.

To be honest, I was leaning you innocent until your posts of late. Now, I am not so sure.

I never trust anyone completely until confirmed. At this point, in light of the headline, I trust Ice. Some I suspect more than others but do not trust anyone completely.

I stated that I did not think that the for I listed were scum. I had basically only leaned AAF to the innocent side after questioning him this morning. That left Zaffy, Noods and Dun. Not sure on any of those three at this point. I do not think that all three of them are scum though.

I could see the case for DD, in light of your posting today, I could see the interaction between the two of you as distancing. Not really sure I have such a hard time reading you so I never really try.

Your inability to acknowledge what I have posted and twisting it to your own bent however, makes me suspect you more.

 

[Kashta]

Okay Wizard. You and I don't seem to agree about much of anything this round. I think you're playing a scummy game so I don't expect we are on the same side anyway. Repeating all that again isn't going to help matters any way.

Zaffy voted innocents both nights. Good for him. I guess that makes him innocent then... or it makes you innocent... or something. Whatever you say.

On that being a "place to start"... it was a combination of that (which was too easy/obvious for me) plus the way you and others tore into AAF earlier is what gave me a bad feeling about you and them.

Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong on that.

Sorry, there was something else about you that made me wonder. I forgot to include that.

You said a few times I think that you were leaving your vote on FF because you didn't believe he would UD. As it turned out FF didn't post until something like 6 minutes after the nightfall deadline so he did actually UD. That meant you were fully willing to leave your vote on a UD all the way to the end. I didn't see any mention that you were considering a vote change just before night in case he didn't show up at all.

This puzzled me as well. That you were okay having a wasted vote out there just as long as you felt you could explain it away easy enough if someone questioned you about it.

Normally, when you're innocent you try a little harder than that to make your posts and your votes count for something.

 

[Kashta]

I quoted my own post to continue it. That's directed to Wizard but I neglected to say so.

 

[the wizard]

Sorry, there was something else about you that made me wonder. I forgot to include that.

You said a few times I think that you were leaving your vote on FF because you didn't believe he would UD. As it turned out FF didn't post until something like 6 minutes after the nightfall deadline so he did actually UD. That meant you were fully willing to leave your vote on a UD all the way to the end. I didn't see any mention that you were considering a vote change just before night in case he didn't show up at all.

This puzzled me as well. That you were okay having a wasted vote out there just as long as you felt you could explain it away easy enough if someone questioned you about it.

Normally, when you're innocent you try a little harder than that to make your posts and your votes count for something.

As stated earlier, I had no idea FF would UD I don't think he ever has before. Yes I could have moved my vote as stated this morning my next suspect was Ice. That would have cost us 4 innocents instead of 3. Is that what you were hoping for?

 

[Kashta]

If I was scum couldn't I have just voted Ice, or anyone else for that matter and then taken the UDs and Lynched Ice.

Sure. But that would have been horribly risky and careless of you if you are scum. For scum to be a last-minute kill vote on someone like Ice would draw a LOT of heat for you the next day. I can't see you doing that as an evil. It would be counter-productive for you to draw that kind of attention unnecessarily. Voting me for that matter would also have been riskier for you than voting FF. So of the three, you opted for the safest choice.

Besides, as the doctor apparently protected the hit target... so who's to say Ice wasn't already a goner in the scum team's mind? In that case you wouldn't have to kill him through lynching. But that's just something else we don't know. Since we don't know yet who the target was or who did the protecting.

All in all, being a kill vote on someone like FF is actually a fairly safe move. No matter which way he flipped most other players wouldn't care all that much.

 

[Kashta]

Again, let him UD. He showed no signs of life until after nightfall., besides hit him if you want to be sure. Who would protect FF?

Not even most possible teammates, IMO.

Isn't this sort of a non-topic to be discussing?

 

[Kashta]

I will state this one more time. I will lend you my glasses so you can read it if necessary or bring out big sparkly letters. I said to look at those that voted KNOWN INNOCENTS BOTH NIGHTS. I did not say look at those who voted Ice and FF.

I find it interesting that you have managed to "miss" that as many times as I have stated it.

To be honest, I was leaning you innocent until your posts of late. Now, I am not so sure.

I never trust anyone completely until confirmed. At this point, in light of the headline, I trust Ice. Some I suspect more than others but do not trust anyone completely.

I stated that I did not think that the for I listed were scum. I had basically only leaned AAF to the innocent side after questioning him this morning. That left Zaffy, Noods and Dun. Not sure on any of those three at this point. I do not think that all three of them are scum though.

I could see the case for DD, in light of your posting today, I could see the interaction between the two of you as distancing. Not really sure I have such a hard time reading you so I never really try.

Your inability to acknowledge what I have posted and twisting it to your own bent however, makes me suspect you more.

Alright. In that case I expect your vote. So be it.

 

[Lab_Rat]

it's a competitive game. i'm a guy with a competitive nature. she and JP pushed until i was railroaded last game... and i was innocent. it wasn't a joke. didn't turn out well, though, but how was i to know?

actually, now that i think about it, i'm not sure i've voted once in any of the games i've played unless it was to put someone in the lead. whatever that's worth...

i'm sorry i haven't been much help. i knew i was voting LG before the game started, so i slacked off for the first nightfall. that was kind of scummy looking, i guess.

So you were voting for LG regardless of whether you thought she was innocent or scum based on last game? Did I read that properly? Dun, this is a competitive game, but one game should have no influence on the next. It sounds like you didn't care if she was innocent, you were voting for her just to vote for her. That is not something an innocent townie does. It's got scum written all over it.

Given that Dawg also did a 180 reversal on me when he retracted his vote... a very SHORT time after his "twist twist twist" accusatory vote post against me was odd. That made be believe I was on to something with him and he may have felt that if he backed off on me that maybe I'd back off on him.

I find Dawg's whole sudden 180 highly suspect as well.

I did a 180 on you Kash because I was trying to get under your skin and you didn't bite. I gave you many reasons to vote for me and it didn't happen. I was going hard to see if it would tell me anything. I think if you were scum you would have bit. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my first impression from our posts.

Sorry Dawg, I don't buy it. What point did you suddenly decide that Kash went from scum to innocent? Because you were going at her hard then all the sudden it seems like you want to be BFFs. I understand pushing some buttons, but you were doing more than just pushing buttons.

Besides, as the doctor apparently protected the hit target... so who's to say Ice wasn't already a goner in the scum team's mind? In that case you wouldn't have to kill him through lynching. But that's just something else we don't know. Since we don't know yet who the target was or who did the protecting.

Do you really think scum would use a hit on someone up for the lynch? That makes no sense Kash.

 

[Kashta]

As stated earlier, I had no idea FF would UD I don't think he ever has before. Yes I could have moved my vote as stated this morning my next suspect was Ice. That would have cost us 4 innocents instead of 3. Is that what you were hoping for?

No. Nothing said you had to switch to Ice. But nothing told you to park a potentially wasted vote on FF either and just leave it there. What I'm saying is I don't see in the thread that you tried to look any further than you did. So maybe by then you were locked in and couldn't do anything else about that.

It was just something that to me sounds more like an excuse from you than what I believe is typical from you as a townie.

 

[Kashta]

So you were voting for LG regardless of whether you thought she was innocent or scum based on last game? Did I read that properly? Dun, this is a competitive game, but one game should have no influence on the next. It sounds like you didn't care if she was innocent, you were voting for her just to vote for her. That is not something an innocent townie does. It's got scum written all over it.


I find Dawg's whole sudden 180 highly suspect as well.


Sorry Dawg, I don't buy it. What point did you suddenly decide that Kash went from scum to innocent? Because you were going at her hard then all the sudden it seems like you want to be BFFs. I understand pushing some buttons, but you were doing more than just pushing buttons.


Do you really think scum would use a hit on someone up for the lynch? That makes no sense Kash.

Yeah, that's true. Ice wouldn't have been their target N2.