Mafia who done it! The Play

Here’s a few thoughts on some of those still in the game. For those not listed, I’m not necessarily saying that I have them leaning innocent, I just haven’t seen anything really scummy yet.

Ice – while we don’t know his status fully, I’m leaning him innocent right now. The fact that he was willing to sit on Andi (known mafia) makes me think he might be innocent. Had he stayed on Andi until the end, I would have felt a little more sure, though.

LChap – I strongly believe that he’s scum. Alot of general observations (scenarios, post counts, etc.) on Day 1, without really pointing out anything useful. Late in the day pulls out his cutlass and mounts a heroic swashbuckling effort to save Ice. The thing that bugs me here though is that when he made his intentions to save Ice known, he then put his vote on Emo (known innocent) instead of Andi (known mafia). Keep in mind that Ice was parked on Andi at the time, so to me, it would have made more sense for LChap to stand shoulder to shoulder with Ice as opposed to trying to pull Ice off of Andi. He didn't move onto Andi until I wondered (in the thread) if there was a reason that he didn't hop onto Andi with Ice.

Beth – a lot of general observations on Day 1 without pointing out anything useful. Committed what I consider to be a major blunder with regard to claiming which posts may have influenced her vote. I think she’s probably scum.

Ogre – not a strong feeling here, but I don’t necessarily follow the thought process regarding his vote for Ice. I understand the logic, but the process as to how he eventually brought himself to vote for Ice is of interest…

In post #77 Ogre expresses concern that the quiet mafia players are getting the more vocal townie posters to cut each other’s throats. He goes on to vote RB (a pretty quiet poster at the time). When RB posts a little, Ogre removes his vote and the next day votes for Ice (a more vocal poster). Kind of a complete 180 from his earlier position.

Chas – what the heck is up there? Charlie has to know that his play style this game is not helping the town at all. As I think that Charlie is generally more conscientious when a townie, I think that he’s quite possibly scum.

BKW - late jump onto Ice is worth noting, not sure that it makes him scum, though. One to watch.
 
Check the vote count, she wasnt the one to save ice.........






This post is after Ice and CL vote andi just 2 mins apart. HN isnt openly defending Andi, but to me he seems to try and make ice and CL look guilty.

If night was in the next couple of minutes i would vote to lynch HN

I vote to lynch HN

Cory why would you think Beth was the one to save me? Her vote for Emo was actually the 2nd vote. If anyone saved me it was HN but in reality all he did was tie it up for a 50/50 shot. I was saved by a flip of the coin.

I could somewhat see that. HN knew we were both innocent so why not tie it up and let the coin flip determine which goes home.

BUT.. If HN was mafia then why not just let the bigger threat go home and then lynch Emo the next night. Doesn't make sense to me. I think my vote stays pending on what Beth reveals tomorrow.

bkw- How did I make Ice & CL look guilty exactly? They actually are the closest in my mind to innocent right now. Ice, because I think his posts have been different from past games when I've always tended to suspect him (again, if he's playing me he's doing better than ever). Cory, I think is innocent because if he would have really looked at jpappy's post, he should've seen the implications. That's why I went after him and tried to play that post down. Those that didn't weigh in at all on the shading post are shady to me (pun intended) because I think the mafia were probably discussing it behind closed doors and wouldn't want to let on that they caught it. My vote on Emo was because I read his post as an admission. Period. I read it wrong and am sorry, but other than the numbers thing, I'm ok with not having to read his posts anymore. Trust me, if I was mafia and had to choose between Emo and Ice as innocents... Ice would be gone right now. Thanks for the vote though. I was feeling kind of left out. Any other suspects or actual thoughts that might help us out?
 
Oh lol...*CL has a Britney Spears moment* Thanks for correcting me, though for now my vote stays.

I knew I shouldn't have had that vodka :lipssealedsmilie:
 
Check the vote count, she wasnt the one to save ice.........






This post is after Ice and CL vote andi just 2 mins apart. HN isnt openly defending Andi, but to me he seems to try and make ice and CL look guilty.

If night was in the next couple of minutes i would vote to lynch HN

I vote to lynch HN

Cory why would you think Beth was the one to save me? Her vote for Emo was actually the 2nd vote. If anyone saved me it was HN but in reality all he did was tie it up for a 50/50 shot. I was saved by a flip of the coin.

As long as you guys are looking into HN, here's a post that got my attention earlier. What got my attention was it's middle of the road stance. It's addressed at Ice regarding Ice's early analysis where he jumped on me based on gut feeling. Hooked says that the analysis might be a reach, but that he agrees with some of it.... almost like he's taking both sides in a potential dispute between myself and Ice, and flicking a little bit of scum on both of us? I didn't mention it in my recent thoughts, as it was mainly just the one post (and thought I might just be a little paranoid). But with the comment about Ice/CL on Andi, it is a little more interesting.
Wow, that's alot of analysis for the amount of posts made. I can kinda agree with some of it, but it seems like it could be "contrived" to do exactly the opposite of what you said.
 
As long as you guys are looking into HN, here's a post that got my attention earlier. What got my attention was it's middle of the road stance. It's addressed at Ice regarding Ice's early analysis where he jumped on me based on gut feeling. Hooked says that the analysis might be a reach, but that he agrees with some of it.... almost like he's taking both sides in a potential dispute between myself and Ice, and flicking a little bit of scum on both of us? I didn't mention it in my recent thoughts, as it was mainly just the one post (and thought I might just be a little paranoid). But with the comment about Ice/CL on Andi, it is a little more interesting.

"As long as you guys are looking into HN".. wow, how non-commital and opportunistic does that sound?

You asked about my "middle of the road sentence" in 74, I answered in 92.

You pressed about my thoughts on jpappy in 154, I answered in 170.

I'd quote, but they are nested and it would take all night. Feel free to look at me, but read these posts. Mad & bkw seem well coordinated to me. My only concern is... are they doing it to try to save Beth? Mad called her out so I doubt he is, but bk is looking better as the Col.

I am curious as to why you were going so hard at jpappy early and seemed to flip Mad. What was it that made you feel differently? Or did you just need to downplay it because you knew he'd die?
 
Wow Mad you make a post I pretty much agree with on LC and I start to think I better watch him more closely. I start to wonder if my feeling about you is wrong.

Then you ruin it. Not by going after HN but by leaving out the 2nd part of my post in which I pretty much said I don't believe HN is mafia because he would have let me die instead of taking a chance that I'd survive. If HN is mafia I'm a much bigger threat then Emo was to him.

Always the possibility that some will change their minds about me and say they are leaning me innocent just so when they hit me tonight they can say well I had a feeling he was innocent. Anyone seeing that yet?
 
"As long as you guys are looking into HN".. wow, how non-commital and opportunistic does that sound?

You asked about my "middle of the road sentence" in 74, I answered in 92.

You pressed about my thoughts on jpappy in 154, I answered in 170.

I'd quote, but they are nested and it would take all night. Feel free to look at me, but read these posts. Mad & bkw seem well coordinated to me. My only concern is... are they doing it to try to save Beth? Mad called her out so I doubt he is, but bk is looking better as the Col.

I am curious as to why you were going so hard at jpappy early and seemed to flip Mad. What was it that made you feel differently? Or did you just need to downplay it because you knew he'd die?

I was never going 'so hard' at Jpappy early. His first post seemed kind of scummy and I pointed it out...that was it. Jpap came back onto the thread and that was that.

Here's the kind of interesting thing about Jpappy being doc, though... I didn't really pick up on his clue of 'saving' until you said a couple of things. Cory Lover accused you of protecting Jpap, and you said that you had reasons for doing so. That's when I asked you what reasons and you chose not to answer... So I started to think, 'Why the heck would HN have reasons for claiming to be protecting Jpap?' I thought about the 'saving' hint, and it hit me... uh oh, JPap's claiming to be the doc (really foolish move to role claim so early, btw).

So I then thought a little harder and wondered why the heck you would claim to have reason to protect JPap. When CL accused you of protecting Jpap why didn't you say that you weren't protecting him? By saying you had reason to protect him, you further telegraphed his slip up. It would make more sense for an innocent to deny protecting anyone, it might bring heat your way (although I never saw you protect JP) but at least you wouldn't be helping to point out the doc.
 
Wow Mad you make a post I pretty much agree with on LC and I start to think I better watch him more closely. I start to wonder if my feeling about you is wrong.

Then you ruin it. Not by going after HN but by leaving out the 2nd part of my post in which I pretty much said I don't believe HN is mafia because he would have let me die instead of taking a chance that I'd survive. If HN is mafia I'm a much bigger threat then Emo was to him.

Always the possibility that some will change their minds about me and say they are leaning me innocent just so when they hit me tonight they can say well I had a feeling he was innocent. Anyone seeing that yet?


Nope, not me.
 
Wow Mad you make a post I pretty much agree with on LC and I start to think I better watch him more closely. I start to wonder if my feeling about you is wrong.

Then you ruin it. Not by going after HN but by leaving out the 2nd part of my post in which I pretty much said I don't believe HN is mafia because he would have let me die instead of taking a chance that I'd survive. If HN is mafia I'm a much bigger threat then Emo was to him.

Always the possibility that some will change their minds about me and say they are leaning me innocent just so when they hit me tonight they can say well I had a feeling he was innocent. Anyone seeing that yet?



I just noticed you used my quote to Cory and not my quote from answering Bkw.

Still its pretty peculiar to me that you chose that one and not the one that shows the other side of my thought.
 
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