my favorite pet store under fire?????

Maybe you can work out a deal with him? Like help him scrub the store in exchange for free items, store credit? Since he is an old man, its probably too much work for him. And with the economy the way it is, i bet he cannot afford to hire a cleaner? Might end up benefiting you both......And it never hurts to ask!!!!
 
just one question...sorry as it may not be 100% on topic...but what is the problem with puppy mill dogs? Do they deserve to not be bought and be put down just cause they were bred in a mill?!!?!?! Or does it just sound better to "some" people to say their pooch was bought from "insert reputable breeder name here"?

I have 6 dogs, 3 purebred shephards, a purebred shelty, a pitbull and a catalouan leopard (sp)..ALL bought from a pet shop that sells puppy mill dogs.... if no one buy's em THEY WILL BE KILLED... I'd rather give em a chance and leave the breeder sold over priced dogs to those that like saying where they bought em from.

If I misunderstood I appologize and carry on...lol
 
steelhumm said:
just one question...sorry as it may not be 100% on topic...but what is the problem with puppy mill dogs? Do they deserve to not be bought and be put down just cause they were bred in a mill?!!?!?! Or does it just sound better to "some" people to say their pooch was bought from "insert reputable breeder name here"?

I have 6 dogs, 3 purebred shephards, a purebred shelty, a pitbull and a catalouan leopard (sp)..ALL bought from a pet shop that sells puppy mill dogs.... if no one buy's em THEY WILL BE KILLED... I'd rather give em a chance and leave the breeder sold over priced dogs to those that like saying where they bought em from.

If I misunderstood I appologize and carry on...lol
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Puppy mills need to be shut down. And no, they won't be killed, they'll eventually be sold, and if less people buy from mills, the less mills there will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HM8UmHM8Uo
By buying the dogs, you support the mill.
If the shop doesn't sell the puppy, they won't kill it, waste of money, they'll lower the price.
And it's not the puppies themselves, but their parents, stuck in nasty conditions, bred until they die or are rescued, and it is disgusting.
A reputable breeder is not someone selling overpriced dogs, reputable means:
They have great pedigrees on their dogs, going back many generations.
The dogs have had thorough temperament tests.
The dogs have been screened for disease and problems that can be passed to pups.
The dogs are very well conditioned prior to breeding, and are taken expert care of during pregnancy, labor, and the puppies are socialized, trained to an extent, and have health tests before going to pre-arranged homes.
The ***** (female) is not bred more than 3 times in her life, 4 at the MOST.
Not bred before 2-3 years old/same with male.
You get my point? Buying from a good breeder cuts own on the irresponsible breeding of dogs.


So sorry to get off topic, but the issue came up.
 
If you want to save dogs who will really be killed, go to breed rescues or shelters... Many have puppy mill puppies for a much cheaper price.. Since money is the problem.
 
bettagurl said:
Puppy mills need to be shut down. And no, they won't be killed, they'll eventually be sold, and if less people buy from mills, the less mills there will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HM8UmHM8Uo
By buying the dogs, you support the mill.
If the shop doesn't sell the puppy, they won't kill it, waste of money, they'll lower the price.
And it's not the puppies themselves, but their parents, stuck in nasty conditions, bred until they die or are rescued, and it is disgusting.
A reputable breeder is not someone selling overpriced dogs, reputable means:
They have great pedigrees on their dogs, going back many generations.
The dogs have had thorough temperament tests.
The dogs have been screened for disease and problems that can be passed to pups.
The dogs are very well conditioned prior to breeding, and are taken expert care of during pregnancy, labor, and the puppies are socialized, trained to an extent, and have health tests before going to pre-arranged homes.
The ***** (female) is not bred more than 3 times in her life, 4 at the MOST.
Not bred before 2-3 years old/same with male.
You get my point? Buying from a good breeder cuts own on the irresponsible breeding of dogs.


So sorry to get off topic, but the issue came up.
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Let me start by saying i respectfully disagree with almost evrything you stated above in practice.

In theory maybe thats the way it works for the respectable breeders you know, however rest assured they are well in the slim minority.
While i would agree puppymills need to be shutdown, what would remain is what actually constitutes a puppy mill, useing your definition above of a respectable breeder that then leaves all the remaining responsible breeders lumped in as a puppy mill operator.

In real life most responsible breeders breed more than 3 to 4 times per Female assumeing she remains healthy and demand presents, the most prolific of which are the small and minature breeders yes read that as Sheltie owners/Breeders, for every reputable breeder one only needs to look in the pet section of your local paper at least twice a year ( if not more) to see the same ad from the same breeders repeated time after time. While it can be also assumed that while the more frequent Breeders may use differant Females In breeding has become a major issue within the industry as a whole and yes that means even your so called reputable breeders. Those particular breeders use a selective approch to keep prices high, due to preferred stock. that does not make them any better, only more unjustifiably expensive. Then in the pinnicle of arrogance, tell evryone else that unless they do it this way, the rest are not much more than puppy mills.

and i dont know what kind of alternate reality you come from, but if a dog is not bought from a puppy mill supplied store then the excess will be destroyed simple economics, all brought about by the only buy from reputable breeders crowd .

Yes it is an inconvienient truth, but the bottom line is not all Pet stores buy from puppy mills as depicted in the posts above, but they do purchese from responsible breeders useing multiple breeding pairs
These breeders also perform regular health checks, proper socialization, Many also have very excellant pedigrees ( may not be best of show winners etc etc) but that should never enter into any equation involving life, well that is in the case of your so called Reputable breeders who regularly put down a dog for nothing more than It is not of a high enough quality to further or represent the blood line.

and as to the line the male is only bred 3 to 4 time
well that must be true because Elvis just told me the same thing last week. Well again maybe not i this reality, but some where, or only for the most elite read that to be expensive with out justification.

Im sure you would love for all that above to all be true, and maybe for a select few breeders it might be. But it in reality is a very select few
 
every one is bringing up great points!

i was just in there today. Ed didnt seem too talkitive but oh well. he does have a kid that works for him and he dosent look as old as his age(not saying that late 50s is old) but he doesnt clean his tanks for a reason.......he says that the biomedia has pleanty of food, and that the silt isnt bad for the fish. just like in nature, nobody goes around the lakes and takes out the silt. he has great stock and all my fish come from him. he is a great guy and wants to get kids in to the hobby! he will anwser any Q' you may have and recommend the best product that he has. this is just a guy trying to run a store and he doesnt have the money to put new racks underneath the tanks just because they are rusty.
 
rocker92 said:
every one is bringing up great points!

i was just in there today. Ed didnt seem too talkitive but oh well. he does have a kid that works for him and he dosent look as old as his age(not saying that late 50s is old) but he doesnt clean his tanks for a reason.......he says that the biomedia has pleanty of food, and that the silt isnt bad for the fish. just like in nature, nobody goes around the lakes and takes out the silt. he has great stock and all my fish come from him. he is a great guy and wants to get kids in to the hobby! he will anwser any Q' you may have and recommend the best product that he has. this is just a guy trying to run a store and he doesnt have the money to put new racks underneath the tanks just because they are rusty.
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No one cleans up the silt? Strong currents move silt, plants absorb it, fresh water streams in from streams or falls in the form of rain, fish can swim AWAY from the area of silt. None of this is possible in an aquarium, besides the plants absorbing it, and I'm guessing he isn't exactly full on plants. Even if he was, water changes are still required, especially in overstocked, messy aquariums.

I for one would never buy a fish from him, as I keep all my tanks clean (well, less often for the endler tank, but that is an anomaly), and OTS would probably kick in and kill his moved fish.

Oh, and rusty metal is weaker than new metal. A 10 gallon tank weighs near to 100 pounds. I wouldn't take the risk.

And as far as him getting kids into fishkeeping, if he never changes his water, I'd prefer if those kids stayed uninformed.
 
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