My GoldFish
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I agree. Not only does it hurt the fish, I personally think they look much, much uglier with a puffed up head. People should just leave gold fish alone, they look fine w/o any genetic mutation.
<<What you are describing about humans is very different than what has been done to that fish. The fishes genetic mutation has been done simply for cosmetic purposes. It does NOTHING to enhance the life of the fish and only makes it harder for them. >>
True! In a sense I was comparing apples to oranges in my original post...
But, there are a lot of driving factors in the medical/drug "industry" other than the altruistic goal of enhancing the life of humans (or animals). And certainly, I don't want to minimize the benefits of medical technology. However, there's a fine line between theory and practice. It's just not that black and white. One post "seemed" to imply that breeding fancy goldfish is, perhaps, unethical. And yes, there may be some truth to that. But then again, the same thing could be said about keeping fish in an aquarium at all...
Granted, I don't think that either one (breeding fancy godfish or keeping fish in an aquarium) is unethical, though I do think there are problems with each. Rather, I think that when someone posts a picture of a big fat fancy lionhead or ranchu, someone should point out the negatives, but then lead the discussion toward "positive" breeding techniques that might eliminate the problems. In other words, what can fish breeders do to select away from genetic problems yet still mold their particular lines into arbitray, yet beautiful, shapes, sizes, and colors?
Rich
ps: I'm new to the list, so I realize that my comments may be inappropriate in this setting. However, after a week or so of reading the same old posts about "uncycled tanks" or "see my pictures" (both of which are good), I find myself yearning for a deeper level of discussion.
True! In a sense I was comparing apples to oranges in my original post...
But, there are a lot of driving factors in the medical/drug "industry" other than the altruistic goal of enhancing the life of humans (or animals). And certainly, I don't want to minimize the benefits of medical technology. However, there's a fine line between theory and practice. It's just not that black and white. One post "seemed" to imply that breeding fancy goldfish is, perhaps, unethical. And yes, there may be some truth to that. But then again, the same thing could be said about keeping fish in an aquarium at all...
Granted, I don't think that either one (breeding fancy godfish or keeping fish in an aquarium) is unethical, though I do think there are problems with each. Rather, I think that when someone posts a picture of a big fat fancy lionhead or ranchu, someone should point out the negatives, but then lead the discussion toward "positive" breeding techniques that might eliminate the problems. In other words, what can fish breeders do to select away from genetic problems yet still mold their particular lines into arbitray, yet beautiful, shapes, sizes, and colors?
Rich
ps: I'm new to the list, so I realize that my comments may be inappropriate in this setting. However, after a week or so of reading the same old posts about "uncycled tanks" or "see my pictures" (both of which are good), I find myself yearning for a deeper level of discussion.
Dear all,
I am not the one to breed it nor (I guess) it come from any genetic manipulation....
It called ranchu...a species that look like lionhead.
I think that is breed "naturally" by human.
Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.
BTW, goldfish are fishes that breed by people.
I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.
I am not the one to breed it nor (I guess) it come from any genetic manipulation....
It called ranchu...a species that look like lionhead.
I think that is breed "naturally" by human.
Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.
BTW, goldfish are fishes that breed by people.
I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.
<<I am not the one to breed it nor (I guess) it come from any genetic manipulation....
I think that is breed "naturally" by human. Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.
I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.>>
There's no reason this fish cannot live a long happy life if cared for properly by not overcrowding it, keeping the aquarium clean, doing weekly water changes and feeding a variety of foods.
Goldfish have been bred for thousands of years by humans--probably much longer than any other aquarium/pond fish. No one intentionally set out to breed genetic mutants with health problems; rather, they are the cumulative side effect of selecting for cosmetics as opposed to fitness. Much of the goldfish history predates modern genetic science. Now that we “know better”, the health problems associated with fancy goldfish could be eliminated over time if breeders are willing to take the necessary steps.
It’s kind of like the fast food industry. Ray Croc (McDonald’s) didn’t set out to clog people’s arteries and give them heart attacks…
Rich
I think that is breed "naturally" by human. Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.
I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.>>
There's no reason this fish cannot live a long happy life if cared for properly by not overcrowding it, keeping the aquarium clean, doing weekly water changes and feeding a variety of foods.
Goldfish have been bred for thousands of years by humans--probably much longer than any other aquarium/pond fish. No one intentionally set out to breed genetic mutants with health problems; rather, they are the cumulative side effect of selecting for cosmetics as opposed to fitness. Much of the goldfish history predates modern genetic science. Now that we “know better”, the health problems associated with fancy goldfish could be eliminated over time if breeders are willing to take the necessary steps.
It’s kind of like the fast food industry. Ray Croc (McDonald’s) didn’t set out to clog people’s arteries and give them heart attacks…
Rich
I found an interesting article on them:
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/universal-viewid200.html
I think yours is cute. From what I've seen (just from searching for some info), they seem to be a little pricey too...for a freshwater fish.
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/universal-viewid200.html
I think yours is cute. From what I've seen (just from searching for some info), they seem to be a little pricey too...for a freshwater fish.
Nice goldfish, My sister has two of them. I say if it's your cup of tea then go for it it's your tank & you're the one that's going to be looking at it so I would'nt give a rat's *** about what others think about my fish 
