Nano Cube Reviews?

jencheung

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I'm thinking of getting a nano cube aquarium and was wondering if you folks could give me a hand. I'm looking for reviews of the various brands out there (JBJ, Oceanic etc.) in the 12 to 24 gallon range. I'm looking for one that is reliable and easy to use - so if there are certain elements that need to be upgraded from the stock issue (powerheads etc.) or additional items needed that don't come included (skimmers etc.) that sort of information would be greatly appreciated as well. It will start out with fish and inverts and eventually maybe move to include soft corals (mushrooms, zoo's, feather dusters etc.). I have a pair of ocellaris clownfish, and a fire shrimp along with various snails and hermits and am looking to upgrade their home.

Thanks so much in advance for any help or advice you might have!
 
Hi Jen,

I don't own one of these but from what I've heard from people who have there are a few things to consider.

1. These all in one nanos usually don't come with a protein skimmer or if they do it's rubbish so a good hob skimmer would probably be the best addition you could make.

2. The lighting is generally very poor, not an issue with fo or fowlr but definitely something to consider if you want to keep corals in the future. A 150w metal halide is usually the upgrade here.

3. These nano systems usually come with approx 10x flow. You can get away with this for fo or fowlr although even then I would want a bit more. If you want to keep corals then you'll need 20-25x so extra powerheads will be needed.

All in all I've heard good things about the orca and jbj brands. They're nice systems but certainly not all-in-one reef systems as some claim.

Hope that helps a bit,

Matt.
 
Thanks so much for the info Matt! I have a couple of questions if you (or anyone else) don't mind... I'm thinking of getting the JBJ 24g Nanocube.

1. So I will add a skimmer though I'm not entirely sure how it'll all fit together. Any recommendations for an appropriately sized one?


2. Lighting: I'm not doing corals, at least to start with, so the stock lighting (72 watts, 50/50 CF lights) should be fine. But when I do move on to corals, I plan to maybe get mushrooms, zoo's, polyps and maybe like a leather of some kind. Would they require the MH's? They're listed as "moderate" lighting but I have no sense of what that means. I know I'd definitely need to upgrade if I moved on to LPS but for the softies would it be necessary? And what's the difference between metal halides and HQI lighting?

3. I figured I'd need an additional powerhead. The stock pump is rated for about 12x flow. Again, any recommendations for an appropriately sized one?

4. How much live rock do I need? What's a good price for live rock? And how much sand do I need? I'm not sure how deep of a sand bed I should have, but the tank is 18x18. My current tank has about 2 inches and I can take the sand from there (it's a 10 gallon) to seed the new tank, but from what I understand I need to make sure the live rock is cured. If I get it fully cured, is there still a cycle that needs to occur? I can have both tanks set up simultaneously, I'm just trying to figure out what's the best way to do the changeover and having no experience with live rock I'm at a bit of a loss. Also, I've heard that putting live rock rubble in the filter instead of the bioballs is better for filtration. Is that true?

Thanks again for your input and for all of your help. Lots of newbie questions here!

Jen
 
Hi Jen,

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, been working hard! In answer to your questions above:

1. I'd go with the aqua c remora nano, heard very good things about this skimmer.

2. I think 72 watts (3 watts per gallon on a 24g) would be fine for what you're planning but you'd need more for lps. One tip, actinic bulbs are nice for getting a nice blue hue to the tank but don't actually emit much useful light. It might be worth putting two 12k bulbs in the main fitting and adding one of these (http://cgi.ebay.com/LED-Double-Aqua...ryZ46314QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) off ebay to get the blue shade. The difference between mh and hqi is basically that mh gives you more bang for the buck. It's better at penetrating the water to greater depths because it's more intense. The problem with mh on a nano is heat control because they give out a lot of heat.

3. I like the koralia nanos because they have a nice wide flow distribution so don't blow the hell out of one area. The tunze nano stream is a good powerhead and a small maxijet (300) would do the job. This is something you'll have to play with once set up.

4. It's generally recommended to have 1-2 lbs per gallon but I'd go more for the 1lb per gallon otherwise you're likely to overfill a nano and leave no swimming space. Also if you add corals later on you'll be adding them on liverock so you need to leave space. I'm in England so not sure what a good price would be sorry but from what I've read on here around $8-10 per pound is average. I wouldn't do a deep sand bed in a nano (not enough room) so I'd shoot for somewhere between 1 and 2 inches deep. Seeding the new tank with sand from yours is a good idea, should make the cycle a bit quicker. You will need to cure the live rock, this is because even with cured live rock there will be a small amount of die off during shipping. This die off causes a small peak in ammonia so it needs to be cured before putting any fish in. I would start the new tank up while keeping the old one running. Put the sand (along with some from your old tank) and live rock in the new tank and get all the filters, powerheads, lights etc running. Test the water every day until you have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites and the nitrates have come back down below 20ppm. You can do regular water changes during this time to keep the ammonia low and avoid excess die off on the live rock. Once the parameters are correct, I'd put the clean up crew (snails, hermits etc) in there and give it a few days to stabilise then add the Fire Shrimp and the clowns at the same time making sure to acclimate them to the new tank. If you wanna add anything else I would wait minimum a week after adding the clowns and test parameters before adding. Live rock in the filter is better as the bio-balls can trap detritus and become a nitrate factory. Either way you will need to keep the filter well maintained. To be honest with 1lb per gallon liverock you don't need any other biological filtration so it might be worth using the filter for chemical filtration (carbon, purigen, rowaphos etc), especially with corals.

Hope that helps, Matt.
 
I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate all of your help Matt!

So I went ahead and ordered the 24 gallon Nano Cube. I also ordered the MaxiJet 900 which would give the tank a total of about x21ph. Is that going to be overkill? I took a look at the Koralia and I really like the design so I might exchange it once I receive the order. The Aqua C Remora Nano is the skimmer I was planning to get so I'm glad to have a supporting recommendation for that. As far as the lighting goes, I love the suggestion and that unit looks perfect. I will have to wait until I get it and see how it would fit into the hood but that's definitely something to keep on the wish list!

As far as the changeover procedure goes, that's pretty much how I envisioned it. My biggest question is mostly a matter of stocking. Can I put another fish or two in there? I was hoping to get a firefish or goby to add to the mix. If I do that, would there be territory issues with the clownfish if they're in first? Would it be better to put in the fire shrimp and the new fish, let it get settled for a bit and let the bio filter catch up and then add the clowns? Or will the clowns not care and not be aggressive? I've just always heard to add the most aggressive fish last and while they're not exactly mean, they're definitely more aggressive than say a firefish would be.

In any case, thanks again for all of your help! I really appreciate the time you put into helping me out - as do the future inhabitants of my nano!
 
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