NEED HELP!!!!!!!UGGGGGGG

melissadotson

melissadotson

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i had a 30 gal. FOWLR TANK. it has been cycled for a couple of months now and everything was fine...well one day i decided to move everthing to a 55.gal to give the fish more room ...now i am haveing problems..i lost my coral beauty angel in the move..and 2 blue damsels as well...everybody else made the move just fine...so i talked to my LFS.. they told me that i could go ahead and try to replace the fish i lost..so i did..lost those 2 damsels again...the coral B angel was fine untill today..lost that one again..i also lost a domino damsel..so i called the LFS again. they said that it sounded like an oxygen problem..so i added a air pump cause that's all i have right now..i know i need power heads but i just don't have the money right now.. i will thursday..( payday)..my question is has anybody ever had this problem before? and is it a oxygen problem? i had my water tested today the LFS said that the water was perfect..and my temp. is 78 degr. any help or advise is greatly appreciated..i need to find out because i'm not adding any more fish till i figure out what the problem is....as far as the other fish in the tank they are all happy and healthy...
 
[FONT=&quot]First thing:

30gal moved to 55 gallon.

What did you do for moving process?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]There are many things that come to mind on what happened but till I know exactly what you did on the move I can’t help you troubleshoot.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Several things could have happened. And its very important to know how you set up your new tank.[/FONT]
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Here is a list of steps on a move to a bigger tank. With everything ready to move. That means. New tank has Live sand and equipment up on it. New Salt water on hand and heated to appropriate temp.[/FONT]
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1. Place fish in bucket of old tanks water with heater.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. Remove more water into another bucket to put live rock in to rinse and set in.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. Place live rock in new tank after rinsing in old water in bucket.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. Take most of remaining water from prior tank and salvage that into the new tank.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5. Fill remaining water with new water.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Final step:
Acclimate fish to new tank after liquid testing: PH, Alk, Calk, Nitrates,Nitrites,Phosphates, etc etc etc…making sure all is good… Salinity etc etc.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Using zip lock bags I acclimated my fish like they were coming from the store…[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 min float then adding a shot glass of the new water every 15 min up to 4 times before letting them loose…(that’s 15min intervals between shots.)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]It is very possible you may not be acclimating fish properly…it is also possible you may not have enough live rock to support the new water volumes bio loads and could get a mini cycle…[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who knows at this point.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Fill me in on how you set up the new tank. Details…
What kind of sand? How much LR…. Did you salvage all the old water you could? Did you test Salinity, Nitrates,nitrites,ammonia, PH(at end of photoperiod), Temp?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]How did you acclimate your fish into the new tank?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Details sir/mam …more info

PS: to others helping....
Wouldn't low oxygen mean there is going to be more co2 = PH problems would indicate this anyway? How can any store claim Oxygen problem without knowing this?

From what i understand... PH will dive bomb if you have too much co2...from lack of good air exchange and flow...or both....if PH was fine...then I am stumped on the LFS saying that.
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What type of flow/filtration do you have now, is it an open top or closed top tank, and have to tried putting a fan to flow across the top? IMO it is pretty hard to get a low oxygen environment bad enough to affect all those fish. I question why your LFS would first point to that as the problem. Did they do water tests for you? That is usually the first step to trying to resolve problems. Do all the basic test with good test kits, once you have eliminated water parameters then work on other issues like heat, ORP (Oxygen), foreign objects in the tank (seen someone crash a tank due to some idiot thinking it was funny to hide a nail in the sand!). There are so many reasons that could explain your situation with the information provided right now that anything would be a very wild guess.
 
i did everything you just said ..i moved all water sand and added some new sand as well. and also added all live rock and then some new..i have about 50 to 60 pounds of live rock..also i acclimated the fish like they came from the store cause that's What my LFS told me to do..i also added every drop of water i could even if it looked murky cause i know that it was all cycled..as far as the coral beauty angel not making it to the new tank..i think i know what happened there...i think it got spooked when i took most of the water out of that tank and i started to take out some of the rock on the other end of the tank. and it hit it's head when it was trying to get away from me..the damsels on the other hand don't what happened to them cause i had them for couple of months and they where fine untill the next morning after the move..i kind of think my issues is with oxygen ? cause my maroon clown mostly stays at the top of the tank..when he was in the 30 gal..he stayed close to the bottem? but he seems fine..i tested all of the water that night after i had moved everything over and all the readings were fine..same as temp..and i moved the fish and rock in buckets..salinity was perfect too...
 
for filtration i have 2 hang on the back filters one is a 30 60 it takes 2 cartrages and the other is a single that fits a 20 or 30 gal..but the bigger one came with the 55 gal. tank.. i used an air pump before on the 30 gal.. but my LFS said not to cause it just makes bubbles that pop and through salt every where.. they said that i realy didn't need it cause i was using the hang on back filter for air rasion...but i did put it back in tonight cause they seem like they need it..but i'm now regretting that i even moved them in the first place..cause i wouldn't be haveing these probems...i just hope it all works out..and i don't plan on moveing them anymore...
 
a list of everything in the tank...i have a maroon clown, 1 bi-color blenny,1 firefish goby, 1 sissortail goby, 1 blue damsel, 1 3 srtiped damsel, 1 domino damsel that is still fighting for it's life..( not sure if he is going to make it)...also have 1 mexican smail, 2 emerald crabs, 1 small red crab ( forgot what it's called looks like a emerald ).and 4 small hermets... and live rock and sand and 1 frag..( pulsating xena)...
 
Just a random tip.

When you are chasing fish, do so slowly and steady. Don't whip the net around the tank thinking you can outrun them (you can't, especially damsels).

They react to quick movements, if you move very slow and deliberately you'll have a much better chance and the fish won't be as stressed.
 
i have to say that i wouldn't add anymore fish, you have plenty in there. at this point it really doesn't matter how you moved everything. i don't get what's going on with a flow, doesn't seem like enough to me. make sure the serface of the water is well agitated for oxygen. i think you are having a mini cycle too, because i'm sure all rock was outside the water at least for a moment. i would add a powerhead and something like biospira. also, the air pump didn't do anything. some corals seem to really hate fine bubbles, but other than that it wouldn't hurt anything.
 
Never heard of that happening before.
 
sorry for ur lost but seems to me u have too much fish too , did u have all those plus those 2 damsles and CB angel in a 30g ?!
and seems u haven t enough filteration too , maybe because of that the filter system couldn t handle that bioload and u had/have a mini cycle ...
and i think u may need a skimmer too , sure it was JMO , the pro guys here will help u more ..
 
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