Need two suggestions please

captmicha

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My sick pygmy cory still isn't better after treating him with Maracyn 2 and Maracyn TC. I already took him to decent local fish store and they couldn't give me any advice that I didn't already try.

I'm going to take him to one more fish store but if that doesn't work out, I'm going to try a course of medication for fungal infections and then a course of meds for parasites. Hopefully something will work on what ever his problem is.

But I need to know what is a decent, good, and easy on the fish, fungal medication and the same question goes for a parasite medication.

Please don't tell me not to do this b/c I already posted a few times about him on here and did all kinds of things and I'm out of ideas. The only thing that I haven't tried is treating him for every thing that a fish could possibly have.
 
if anything, maybe give him a lil break from the meds? i don't think switching over to a new med immediately would be good, as there would still be some of the old med in the tank, i think even a huge water change and running carbon for a full day or two wouldn't take it all out. somebody please correct me if i am wrong. IMO, wait at least two, if not three days between meds so as to not pickle lil mister cory.

i'm sorry i can't give you advice on which exact meds to get, as i've not had to deal firsthand with very many fish diseases (raps knuckles on noggin......"knock on wood!")
 
It's been a few days now, like a week, since his last course of meds.

Never mind. I'm going to get some Nitrofuracin Green since nothing is working. And also because my dad's aquarium is showing sick fish. Multiple sick fish. Skin lesions, white protrusions, etc. Basically a whole bunch of bad signs. Different problems for different fish.

Looks like I'm going to have to start doing water changes and medicating behind his back. He won't let me do it if I ask to and he won't do it himself. Don't ask me why. There's no logic or sense to it.
 
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jeepers! what's going on in your dad's tank? and i hope you will be able to get him to see the light on this issue soon.

i'd say a week is more than enough time in between meds for your fish.
 
I know, it's crazy right? His fish keep dying and he just keep loading more in there. It's horrible. The other day he got angry at me for pointing out some white bumps on a fish. I asked him if he was going to do anything about it and he said no. I asked why and he said because he doesn't care. I asked if I could and he said no. So I yelled at him about not getting animals if he's not going to be bothered taking care of them. If he doesn't care about them, why get them in the first place. I really don't know the answer, I don't know why I even bothered bringing it up. I just need to do it w/o telling him from now on.
 
as long as he doesn't get really mad at you for it, i'm all for the secret fish doctor!
 
I went back and reread the sick cory post in order to continue to try to help you. Then I took a look at other threads you'd started around the same time to see if I could get any other information to help you. I came across this thread of yours from 6/9: http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196907
that states you weren't keeping up with regular maintenance, stirred up a bunch of nasties from the substrate and the fish were reacting badly and you were getting test results showing ammonia. By 6/12 you had a sick cory with red gills, etc. etc. And you've been taking him out of the tank and transporting him to a couple of different pet stores....that will stress the little sick guy out and can make things worse. When I tried to help you previously by suggesting the Maracyn products, I was not aware of the post you did on 6/9. Knowing this information now, I say that he was made ill because of what went on in that tank on 6/9. Even though your other fish were also in distress for a while, this cory's immune defenses seem to not be as strong as the rest of the tank inhabitants and this illness is a direct result. He may have gotten directly into a gas pocket coming out of the substrate or something like that. But Maracyn wouldn't help unless it had turned into a bacterial infection like septicemia. He may have internal organ damage at this point. If you medicate him with fungus meds that he doesn't need, you could lose him. If you medicate him for parasites that he doesn't have, you could lose him. More cories die as a result of being exposed to medicines I think than any other causes. I still say keep him in a heated hospital tank, do 50% water changes every day, don't expose him to water that isn't temperature matched. Maybe add a little salt to the water to help his gill function, give him his favorite food, and that's it at this point.
 
sounds like all he needs is a clean tank with many large waterchanges and rest,.. same for your dads tank,.. bad water can make many bad illness,.. so the oppisite might cure it,......gravel vac really good,.. for dads tank,.. and go from there,.
 
I agree completely with pink and dixie. I remember reading one of the threads regarding the cory, in which you said water conditions were improving after being neglected for a time, it was mentioned by others in those threads that water quality could be the issue, and using chemicals to correct poor water quality is never a good plan... it just puts more stress on the fish and doesn't really do the job, in spite of claims.

I'm saying this with only the best of intentions for you and your cory and not out of unkindness or criticism.

Regarding water quaility issues, I speak from experience as I had spikes in parameters, elevated ammonia and then nitrites in a mini cycle, and this is even in spite of me trying to keep excellent water quality. I had too much gravel in my 10 gallon and did too much stirring up of the gunk on one of the water changes, which caused a mini cycle, and I didn't know for about a day that I had over .25 Nitrites in the tank. I normally had 0. The effects of the spike from the mini-cycle hit my Brochis, which is a cory, very hard.

He developed a bacterial infection, I didn't notice until he had septiciemia, which presented as red splotches and a thin red streak on his body.

He went into a small hospital tank and had 80=90% water changes daily. I did use Maracy and Maracyn II that fight gram negative and gram positive bacterial infection, and he began to improve within 36 hours.

He recovered fully, but that is because obviously it was bacterial and whatever kind it was sensitive to those meds, but as much as the meds I believe the water changes helped him dramatically.

Since you have tried antibiotics and he is still having problems, I would hold off on any more chemotherapy.

At this point I think pristine water, daily big water changes are needed to help his immune system fight this, whatever it is that he has.

After a day or two of being in absolutely perfect water conditions you might try dosing with Melafix, since it is a natural, supposedly soothing, treatment that has some antibacterial action.

The only reason I suggest this is that I remember reading a thread in which one of the AC members, who had been doing this a very long time based on the join date and number of posts, who said clean water and Melafix was all they ever used and had cured many cases of bacterial illnesses.

Having made this suggestion, I welcome correction by anyone with more experience than me, if it may be the consensus that even Melafix, at this point, may be too much stress for the poor fish to handle.

Regarding your father's sick tank: The best you could do is tactfully offer to do maintenance for him. Tell him you want the experience, that you think it will help you become a better fishkeeper. If he will allow it, do weekly, water changes, vacuuming gently in a different area each week so as not to stirr up too much for the occupants to handle. You might try to do about 25% at first, in case his tank has
"Old tank syndrome". Later, bigger water changes would be good, on a weekly basis.

Test the water with a liquid test kit. See what the parameters are in his tank and yours. Nothing replaces good hard work on your part to maintain clean water for your fish.

If they begin to have excellent water conditions then maybe they may start to fight off whatever may be in the tank. A weekly dose of Melafix in his tank may help if there is a bacterial infection going on, though it certainly may not be enough to do any good if there is a serious bacterial infection in the tank because Melafix is not an antibiotic.

Your descriptions of his fish sound like bacterial infection. I'm sorry for his fish, that he doesn't practice better care for them. You, however, can try to act on their behalf, if he will let you.
 
I dunno. I'm not a big fan of homeopathic medications like Melafix. I think I'll just do the frequent water changes at this point and then report back on their progress.

How long should I do these daily changes for my cory? And how often should I do water changes for my dad's tank and how much water should I get rid of? Should I add Stress Coat or Prime? I usually add one or the other but I'm running low on the Prime and I'm not positive it's very active anymore since it didn't seem to make any difference when I used it for the ammonia spike but other things worked when it didn't.
 
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