New indoor pond

Originally posted by aquariumfishguy
Actually, nobody got it quite accurate in respects to how many gallons the tank would truly be. :D

A tank with dimensions 36 x 84 x 20 (all inches) would have a volume of 262 gallons. It will weigh about 2,244 pounds when filled with water alone.

This is hardly enough to house a decent sized Koi. I know what I say next will sound extremely biased to some (especially those who disagree), but all the info I supplied you with was accurate and precise. I took a lot of time (believe it or not) to come up with an objective, educational post. Please consider what I say, if now more than ever.

Oh, and to try the calculations yourself, go to: Gallon Calculation (volume)

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I have been educated. Never before have I had such information presented to me as the definitive answer and impossible to be wrong.

Issue I have with it is that you based all your info on 8 feet being 84 inches and since it is 96 inches that kind of negates the validity of everythign else...

not to mention factoring for displacement, filling to less than the rim, and the fact that tanks are usually measured on the outside and with a tank that size the glass is significantly thick, hence any measurement that will then be used to calculate information that woudl be IMO poumpously posted as infallably accurate would have to include dimensions taken from the inside, not the outside.


Never present oneself as the ultimate authority.

Bites you in the derrier every time.

***Edit*** Looks like Mo beat me to the punch. Like minds.....hehehe***
 
My bad – I initially used a calculator on a pond website which focused mainly on feet so I entered it in as the original poster had claimed. Then after it calculates the gallons, it tells you how many inches long, wide, and deep the pond would be. They gave me 84 inches, and I guess that’s what I get for not doing the entire math myself in my own head. I used a second site to verify the first, and used the inches that the last website gave me.

So, to make it short, sorry I messed up on the calculations but it doesn’t make any of the other info I supplied wrong.

…But Tom, if you want to talk about pompous, look at your post. You did nothing but belittle and disparage me because of some screwed up calculations. You haven’t been here to help, AT ALL in this entire post and then have the nerve to play your cards as if you are of any help in this situation. LOL

Mojo corrected me, and did it tastefully in an ordinary way and he should, since I was wrong.

The text that I said was accurate and precise, and took me a lot of time and effort was my original post, the one with a picture included. Tom, if you took that as pompous, then you totally over-looked my post.

Again, I apologize for my misinformation on the gallon size. ;)
 
Yeah...I just multiplied 8 x 12 and got 96. Not sure what "calculator" you were using...the link you posted was in inches...not gallons. But I can see how you can confuse the math.

Thank you so much for your "time and effort". You must be exhausted.


Tom...bingo.
 
I said I used 2 sites. Yes, I can divide and multiply, but I wasn't sure how to get the gallon amount. That’s ok, your last few posts certainly doesn't help any "cause" you thought you had for bashing me, it just makes you two look more arrogant. I know my reason for posting and I know I was trying to help…

I am sorry to the original poster; you didn't deserve the side comments after the fact, and certainly didn't need your thread slaughtered. I apologize for any part I could have had in that.
 
what is going on here?

We have lost the intent of this thread. Instead we are getting caught up with gallons, pond volumes etc... how about the point of the original questions regarding an indoor pond!!??
And how about a gentler tone...
 
Originally posted by aquariumfishguy
As someone who has kept Koi since I was barely out of diapers, that website scares me.

You were wearing diapers when you were 12?

" First of all, let me start out by saying I have been keeping fish since I was about 12 years old."

http://www.care4fish.com/aboutus.html

Glad to see you got that diaper issue sorted out before taking on fishkeeping.
 
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Ive read this thread and have seen so much conflicting information it is unbelievable.

First of all, i was linked to this thread from another site, i read everything, including the general question here, and just had to chime in.

Im not going to consider my answer the end all be all, and i certainly encourage you to do personal research before following any of the advice you find here, and directley from myself, before coming to any sort of final conclusion on your indoor pond venture.

Second, allow me to Introduce myself.

My name is Mycol (Michael) and i work for Lilypons Water Gardens in Buckeystown, MD. I am an aquatic plant and fish specialist. Ive built hundreds of ponds, varrying in size. Ive also handled very many different kinds and sizes of fish and other common aquatic animals. Shebunkins, Israeli Koi, Japanese Koi, Domestic Koi, all ranging in size from 3-4 inches to up to 3ft.

Finding a koi much bigger then 3ft is next to impossible, although they CAN get that big, they are rare. They can live to be 100+yrs old...and to be 3+ Ft, they gotta be pushing atleast 90.

Fish, commingly, grow to the size of the pond. Putting a mature, 12inch+ Koi, in a 500gallon pond, is not going to make it shrink... in fact, it can harm the fish if it is in contest with others. Ideally, they need 1000+ gallons to be comfortable...a mate, wether of same sex or not, is preferrable, as they are the kind of fish who associate with eachother. When i say they grow to the size of the pond, i mean that a 3-4inch Koi is not going to reach more then 12 inches in its lifespan, in a 500gallon pond. They grow to the size, based on amount of available oxygen, and nutrients in the water (Food) for them to eat. Oxygen = Digestion

The less oxygen, the more food goes to waste and is essentially, Pooped out.

Having an indoor pond can be very simple, and enjoyable.

Think of it, and treat it, like a fish tank. If you plan on having plants, i suggest having lighting inside to give the effect of the sun. Especially if you have water lilys. They will bloom indoors, all year round, if the temperature is kept at a constant 77-80degrees. Also, keep water movement to a minimum, you'll get more lily blooms that way. The plants give the fish (Koi, in your case) a sense of security, they wont feel the need to swim erratic and throw themselves out of the pond. But for the first few weeks, keep an eye on them. Sit on the edge and hold food in the palm of your hand...allow them to smell it and within a week, they will be trained to come to you for food. Thus making them very friendly fish, and not easily startled.

Evaporation will occur, but not bad, if you keep the indoor temperature at a normal 69-72deg. Keep the area very well ventilated, windows open if you can, and have a good under floor filter system setup, you can even use a regular Bio Filter and incorporate it into your waterfall if you want one. They can be easily hidden if you'd like the enjoyment of an indoor landscape surrounding your indoor pond.

If you have anymore questions, feel free to contact me...and if your ever in Buckeystown, MD, stop by Lilypons, i'll give you a nice 30% discount! :)

Mycol

MikeMain@onlineracin.com
 
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Originally posted by aquariumfishguy
…But Tom, if you want to talk about pompous, look at your post. You did nothing but belittle and disparage me because of some screwed up calculations. You haven’t been here to help, AT ALL in this entire post and then have the nerve to play your cards as if you are of any help in this situation. LOL

Mojo corrected me, and did it tastefully in an ordinary way and he should, since I was wrong.

The text that I said was accurate and precise, and took me a lot of time and effort was my original post, the one with a picture included. Tom, if you took that as pompous, then you totally over-looked my post.

Again, I apologize for my misinformation on the gallon size. ;)

My issue isnt with your information. It is fairly sound, it expresses one possible view of how it can be ahndled. Not the definitive one perhaps but one viable view.

My issue is witht he tome of your presentation. There is no doubt it expresses exactly what I am citing, and for someone who isnt too familiar with the indiocyncracies of this hobby, it could potentially lead to a dismissal of other options a it is presented as the definitive andswer and you state exactly that.

Deeper I see a resentment in being questioned. Your PM to me recieved this morning reflects this in that you state my response makes you look like a "Narcissist ***" (thats what i got so not sure what word you intended) but in honesty that is how it was percieved by me. You sought by appearance to be percieved as the consummate authority in the thread, but in the same message conveying this statement was a not small error which makes it all fall apart.

Was i here to assist...no. Why...because I felt...and still feel...that information of a usable nature was given and for that I commend all who did. What I did see what an arror made (which in and of itself is not so much of a problem) while making the bold statement of how positively correct and accurate and how much intense effort you put into makig sure he got the definitive answer.

I am not out to bash you, but I too have 22 years in this hobby, and it is VERY important to me to see that not only is good information passed along, but also that it is understood clearly that not one of us has the definitive answer for anything. The best we can hope to have is ONE of the answers. I did not see this in your message in the post in question, and it was coupled with an error of some magnitude.

I am an old man it seems, but i have a low tolerance anymore for a seeming need to be an expert, for as i have discovered this hobby has no experts, only well informed fellow hobbyists, and when one professes to have attained an expert status, and the implication of your tone says that, then i quite frankly quake in fear.

Regardless, if you were personally offended I offer most sincere apologies. But I also must state that you will gain more respect by simply giving your take on a situation and not trying to amke sure your opinion is the one taken as right. Advice is freely given...and it is freely refused. Those who want to learn will seek and take heed to that which shows merit...and those who give it without merit will soon enough become apparent.

The intent was not to attack but rather to make statement that the show of need for respect is in somewhat poor form. In doing so I also exhibited poor form and for that you have my apology.
 
Mycol- that is the same as stunting though. Saying they will grow to their surroundings is true, however that doesn't mean the insides stop growing. Certainly, you wouldn't expect a Koi who has been stunted to live 90+ years as you said.

I never said my way was the only way, however I backed up what I said with facts, well known ones too. You can house ANY fish in ANY sized aquarium. However, if we are trying to help our fish to thrive, one should be given data that will work in the long term. We have enough fish stores out there who will tell us what we want to hear (example: “sure, 5 Oscars for a 10 gallon will work just fine”), a fish forum should focus on giving help that will work out in the end.

For the life of me, I just do not see how Koi can thrive if they can't even reach their optimal length. That part is JMO.

Tom, your last message still proves what I said in my PM. And I did spell narcissistic correctly; I happened to save that message in case you had beef with what I said. If you choose to break up the word to make me look like I have poor spelling and grammar than kudos to you. :rolleyes:
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EDIT- in reply to toms latest post: how was I supposed to take it when you say "Thats what I got so not sure what word you intended". You say sorry, but only after insulting me in every way you can imagine. No, I do not think you are sincere. Sorry.
 
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