New SW setup, newbie too

I'm definitely going to continue to keep posting questions, progress and even pictures of fish. I will just do a better job of spelling out the plans and or reasoning for adding whatever I may purchase.

I do appreciate any and all opinions, and I do understand I am opening myself up for ridicule or undesirable opinions by posting here - but we all have our own ways of doing things , whether it is right or wrong. But please, before anyone sounds off on my actions - take into consideration my previous post.

Greg, I appreciate the support and your honesty!
 
Questions and photos are GREAT!! Just remember, you'll get a verity of answers. Some people are very opinionated :D. I'll just wish you luck and tell you to take a look at those 2 books I gave links to. They are great books. They were recommended by my LFS owner who also has a commercial aquarium service he takes care of.
 
Most people here offer advice with the fish's best interests in mind followed by the OP. I actually agree that the keeping of fish temporarily "until they get too big" is not in the best interest of the fish. They've most likely already been stressed by multiple moves etc. and at least their natural behavior (i.e. active swimmer) should be taken into account. If people don't "point out faults" (your words Greg), then aren't they failing to provide the best possible advice. You should see the opinions and make up your mind I think. To disregard them completely is doing a dis-service to yourself and the fish. If you are "pushing the envelope" with a fish knowingly and short-term, cool. If you're keeping them in known less than ideal circumstances for good, shame.
 
Well, we are all just sharing opinions here and we're all entitled to do so. My opinions just happen to be on the conservative side in many instances, but that certainly doesn't mean that things won't work out just fine. I'm glad to hear that you are planning a 90 gallon. That's a GREAT size for keeping a yellow tang throughout its lifespan, and in addition gives you many more stocking options... FUN! :D I'm sure that you'll get really confident in your ability to keep a stable tank before too long, and you will be itching to set up that 90, LOL. Bigger tanks generally make it easier for the hobbyist in terms of stability, so you'll really enjoy it I bet.


What do you mean, you can't condone an attitude? I don't think you really have a choice in the matter, if someone decides to put a fish in a tank of their liking, that is their business. It appears from the photo, Dan06 has already made HIS choice.

I wasn't referring to the attitude of the OP. ;) I've spent a few years working for a LFS and have noticed that this attitude is one that seems prevalent in the hobby. It's not something I personally agree with, and again, I'm entitled to my opinion. It seemed from the post that the OP's LFS may not have told him the whole truth about their recommendations... he has since clarified that they did. Sounds like a pretty good shop.

Dan - It looks good and as long as you are happy with what you have right now. THAT'S all that counts. BTW, I had a Yellow Tang in my 30 and the olny reason I took it back to the fish store is that he was picking at my corals, so he's being taken care of for when my 90 is set up and running, along with a couple of other fish. Also, I had and kept a Yellow Tang in a 20 gal. tall for about 3 years and no trouble there either.

SOOOO!!! keep posting those pictures and pay no nevermind to those who would rather point out faults. No 2 aquariums are EVER alike. ;)

Not pointing out faults, just trying to be realistic. ;) Stocking choices, IMHO, can play quite heavily into the success of one's tank. I like to see people become successful in the hobby. No big deal, as the OP is upgrading anyway.

As for keeping a yellow tang for 3 years in a 20H, there is a difference between a fish that is surviving and one that is thriving. I can't think of a single species of tang that would thrive in a small tank for that length of time. Stunted growth, excessive stress, and finally increased susceptibility to disease are just some issues that I've seen. JME.
 
Severum mama, I certainly appreciate your posts and I do value your opinion and information, we are communicating through a world of emotionless text - so it's difficult to understand exactly what you were trying to get across to me. I'm positive if you could visit and talk with my LFS, you would be looking for a home here ASAP. It's a great place, you can rest assured they wouldn't let me do something detrimental to the success of my tank.

Trust me, it's killing me to not have this 90g set up yet - I know many people say the larger the tank, the easier it is - not from a labor stand point. I'd much rather be doing a 15% water change in a 36g tank because of my mistakes, rather than mixing a 15% water change for a 90g tank. I just don't have that time to dedicate towards fixing my boo-boo's on such a large tank. I think this 36g is going to be a good crash course for getting into this reef keeping hobby.

I need to get a grasp on what I'm doing with this 36g that I only need to dedicate a couple hours to a week, before I end up going the sump/refugium/96gal route. The Tang has almost completely cleaned the tank
 
Dan I was reviewing old posts to catch up....

Dude... LFS has some really skewed opinions on skimmers and I have had a few stores do the same.
But I prefer to listen to someone with a PHD .. Skimming Basics 101: Understanding Your Skimmer by Frank Marini, Ph.D. - Reefkeeping.com

I post this a lot but for good reason. Read this thoroughly.

The benefits outweigh the bad with skimmers 10 fold. And since you do have a heavy bio load...the skimmer is a good thing to get.

Once you understand skimmer 101 above...you will see where I think your LFS needs to re-evaluate there answer to you about skimmer.

Sure you can do large water changes weekly... but I find that a pain in the butt and in the long term costly.

Skimmer pays for itself.. you wont have to change as much water thanks to it sucking the poop out of the water or other dissolved organic compounds.

Plus they failed to mention the skimmers impact on trace element removal isn't great and you can supplement that by using C-balance which in turn will also help promote Coraline Algae growth while maintaining the ionic balance of your tank.

Anyway..back to where you left off... Just kind of got on my nerves how one of the LFS owners dismissed the need for a skimmer. Its not about need..its about how beneficial it would be...

I bet if we survey everyone here with a reef mix tank or tanks with large bio loads most here if not all have a skimmer.
 
Severum mama, I certainly appreciate your posts and I do value your opinion and information, we are communicating through a world of emotionless text - so it's difficult to understand exactly what you were trying to get across to me. I'm positive if you could visit and talk with my LFS, you would be looking for a home here ASAP. It's a great place, you can rest assured they wouldn't let me do something detrimental to the success of my tank.

Trust me, it's killing me to not have this 90g set up yet - I know many people say the larger the tank, the easier it is - not from a labor stand point. I'd much rather be doing a 15% water change in a 36g tank because of my mistakes, rather than mixing a 15% water change for a 90g tank. I just don't have that time to dedicate towards fixing my boo-boo's on such a large tank. I think this 36g is going to be a good crash course for getting into this reef keeping hobby.

I need to get a grasp on what I'm doing with this 36g that I only need to dedicate a couple hours to a week, before I end up going the sump/refugium/96gal route. The Tang has almost completely cleaned the tank


I think when people say larger is easyer than small is not about maintenance per say.

My analogy i use is cup of water vs ocean...spit in a cup vs the ocean...the cup paramaters go out of wack fast...ocean no impact..Thats like small vs large tanks. One little mistake in a small can impact it greatly vs a small mistake in a larger tank.

Now your current situation is the addiction =). You want more but the tank you have is holding you back =)... slow down

My opinion on going the larger tank route. If you really want to do things correct... You are learning from the small already and I think thats a good plan. I did the same ..learning from screwing up first =p before joining a reef site.

My suggestion to make life easy on the larger tank: Since maintenance is something I am very lazy about to.

I suggest getting your parts bought you really desire a little at a time ...so your budget doesnt get pinched and take your time.

I would suggest also do prepare for a refuge sump set up...a very large best you can afford skimmer..and may as well retro that canopy on that tank for some awsome lights...why go budget and have to replace it later is how i look at it...

So basically:
Refuge with chaeto + Sump+Kick butt skimmer+Killer lights+purchasing an RO unit+Phosban reactor= less hassles with changing water or water parameter problems.

Refuge eats the bad nutrients like Nitrates and phosphates+Pods population
Phosban reactor = Stuffed with RoPhos to keep phosphates at 0 (algae will hate you =p )
KickbuttSkimmer= removing DOC's means less pollution in the water
RO-Unit = Less hauling around water and travel to pick it up

This in turn in the end will really make maintenance not such a pain in the tush. I am extremely lazy and I have all those things but Fuge I had to remove it ..(building a new one later).

But still without the fuge...I change 5g a week on a 72 and 10g every 4th week sometimes 15..depending on parameters...

I have sps and lps tank to...everyone is happy and growing like weeds.
 
I understand that the more water volume, for sure. My main issue with such a large tank right now, the odds of doing something severely wrong and possible wiping out the tank to the point that it needs to be broken down, cleaned, massive water changes etc are high right now - I'd much rather screw up a 36 gallon and take an hour to break it down entirely and have only hurt 36lbs of live rock, versus the 150+lbs of live rock & 90 gallons of water & it's supporting equipment. It's just too overwhelming for me right now.

I think sometime this week I'm going to construct a refugium/sump and acquire more LR, plumbing materials & pumps next week. I'm going to do a 29g refugium/sump that will be able to handle the larger tank in the near future.

My main goal with this 36g tank is to maintain stability, learn how to care for my basic soft & sps corals and observe my two fish and learn what not to do with the 90g, so if I mess up, it'll be a 300 dollar loss of LR/Fish & 36g of saltmix versus $800+ of LR/Fish/Salt in a larger tank. Everything in my 36 can be transferred to the larger tank anyway, so I won't be buying anything twice - I'll have a completely seeded sand bed, completely cured (came cured anyway but there will be no doubts) 36lbs of live rock that'll help speed things along in the new tank.

IMO, I'm doing it the right way....for myself, maybe not for everyone else but I imagine it's going to work out better this way than if I started with 90g.
 
I understand that the more water volume, for sure. My main issue with such a large tank right now, the odds of doing something severely wrong and possible wiping out the tank to the point that it needs to be broken down, cleaned, massive water changes etc are high right now - I'd much rather screw up a 36 gallon and take an hour to break it down entirely and have only hurt 36lbs of live rock, versus the 150+lbs of live rock & 90 gallons of water & it's supporting equipment. It's just too overwhelming for me right now.

I think sometime this week I'm going to construct a refugium/sump and acquire more LR, plumbing materials & pumps next week. I'm going to do a 29g refugium/sump that will be able to handle the larger tank in the near future.

My main goal with this 36g tank is to maintain stability, learn how to care for my basic soft & sps corals and observe my two fish and learn what not to do with the 90g, so if I mess up, it'll be a 300 dollar loss of LR/Fish & 36g of saltmix versus $800+ of LR/Fish/Salt in a larger tank. Everything in my 36 can be transferred to the larger tank anyway, so I won't be buying anything twice - I'll have a completely seeded sand bed, completely cured (came cured anyway but there will be no doubts) 36lbs of live rock that'll help speed things along in the new tank.

IMO, I'm doing it the right way....for myself, maybe not for everyone else but I imagine it's going to work out better this way than if I started with 90g.

I never thought you were doing anything wrong. I am just sure that you can do a 90g. In other words I have more confidence in you than you do yourself :thm:
 
I know you weren't saying it's wrong at all, I'm just trying to do it all in a way to feel confident when I switch to the 90. ;) Expensive hobby ya know? I don't want to do anything twice because I'm inexperienced unless I have to.

Also, I forgot to mention that my LFS didn't say anything negative about a skimmer. They mentioned it does skim all proteins, good & bad, but doesn't completely remove them & said it's better to have one than not. They said if I was diligent with my water changes right now, I could live without a skimmer as long as my fish stocking is minimal, no overfeeding & consistant weekly water changes - but they didn't recommend it or condone it by any means. They just merely said I wouldn't suffer from a crash or fish/coral loss because of it, for now.
 
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