Newly planted tanks and algae

Joe,

I did start out with a pretty heavily planted tank of glosso, dwarf hairgrass, rotala indicia, and microphylium. Every square inch of the tank have something planted in it. I did have the lights on for 6 hours a day for 5 days when I had just my ottos in the tank with no plants. Never saw any algae within those first five days, but maybe that was where I went wrong. I guess I should have never started my lights without any plants in the tank even if only for 6 hours.
 
Hi John,

Algae....our dreaded enemy. I have been battling it for about a month and a half now. Just when I thought I was winning, BAM! it snuck up on me and hit me full force. one of the main forms that I have been dealing with is this long thread algae. I have a 150 and this stuff can just about grow the entire length of my tank. The strands can be enormous. It was recommended to me to remove it with a toothbrush. Just swirl it like spaghetti. I did that a few days in a row but it became pointless. As quickly as I could remove it , it would grow back. My plants finally took off and started growing well, but that didn't stop the algae. I guess this kind of algae is caused by high levels of iron. I tested my water for it but didn't getting any noticable results, though the test kit seems kind of hokey. Realizing that algae is caused by improper water chemistry, I closely monitored my water for a few weeks. I made sure, to the best of my ability, that my water parameters were as prescribed at chuck's planted aquarium and by the folks here. Unfortunately, that wasn't working. I went to the LFS and bought some American Flag Fish (otherwise known as the Florida Flag Fish)and some rasmhorn snails. The fish immediately started eating the algae as if it were candy. The snails also went to town. But they weren't the answer to my problem. They couldn't possibly beat the algae back to my likings. I finally went drastic this weekend. I spent 11 hours strait tearing my tank apart. As suggested by Len, I think that a root tab or two were disturbed in the gravel and was causing the algae to go out of control. I decided to do a deep gravel vac. After my first attempt at aquascaping, I wanted to make a few re-arrangements anyway. I removed all of my plants and decorations. I was amazed to see how developed the root systems were. I sort of felt guilty uprooting them, but this was for their benefit. I figured that since they were out I'd try the bleaching treatment that everyone talks about. I didn't go haywire, I just pretty much cleaned the algae off of them in a 19/1 water/bleach solutions and then dipped them in a declorinator solution. I have lots and lots of plants, so this took a while. I even dipped my rocks and driftwood. Once that was done, I throughly cleaned my gravel...it was nasty. I have 100% Flourite as my substrate and it produces enough muck....but this was pretty dirty. I re-aquascaped and am very happy with the results. All of my plants are completely algae free and they look great. A day has passed and the only algae that I can see in the tank is some on the glass that I missed during the clean up. Now that it is completely gone, I think I'll have the upper hand as far as keeping it at bay. I pulled my tank apart about two weeks ago to do a pretty good cleaning after a bunch of algae had died but not nearly as extensive as this one. Though the tank was pretty clean, there was still quite a bit of algae still in it. I was going to stop the ferts at that point and cut out the CO2, but I didn't. Instead I added ferts again and kept the CO2 going full blast. Sure enough, the algae came back full force. The CO2 injection and ferts create a delicate, yet fast paced senario. Yes, if you can keep up with it, your plants can grow like weeds. Otherwise, if something gets out of control, your progress spins off into an oblivion, like me. I'm really "taking a step back" (an earlier post of mine) this time. I cut off my CO2 cylinder and don't plan on fertilizing for a while. I also cut back the duration that my lights are on. They were reduced from 13 hours a day to 10 or 11. I plan on taking it slow. If the plants are growing slowly, then hopefully the algae will grow slowly. And I have a hungry army waiting for it. I'll let you know how everything turns out.
 
Jaime,

It sounds like your has been set up for a much longer time than mine. Mine is going on it's 5th week. The hair algae or thread algae is the only thing that is out of control in the tank and as long as I clean it every 3-4 days, it doesn't become too much of a problem. I haven't tested my water for iron, but I would think it's fine, everyone else I know in NYC says NYC water is ideal for plant growth. Sorry to hear you're having such a hard time with the algae. Mine is a bit unsightly, but everyone else who sees it think it's a gorgeous setup. I'd suggest cutting your photo period back to 10 hours. 13 is too long I think. I've even been considering cutting mine back from 10. i will keep on it though... onward!
 
I think the photo period is too long Jamie. I would cut it back to 10 hours. Cutting the ferts won't hurt the plants as they have the ability to store nutrients, which algae doesn't. Then when you start to dose again, start slow and get a feel for what works.

Fe test kits are notoriously difficult and mostly inconsistent. I've never used one for that reason.

Keep the CO2 up and when you start to dose again only dose the N and P when the test kit tells you it needs to be dosed. Once the tank matures a bit all this will pass. Most people go through the same stuff to one degree or another with new tanks.

Len
 
Okay it has been three days since I last cleaned the tank and the thread algae is still growing like mad. When cleaning the tank today i realized something when I was stirring up a bunch of algae in the tank. In a few hours the algae will have just stirred back down into the gravel and plants only to grow again. A couple weeks ago i took off the filter attachment from my powerhead and just let it run. It is kinda unsightly. Right now the tank has no filtration just water circulation. I have a 3 inch sand bed and quite a bit of surface area from the plants. Would it be better to put it back on? I figure with the water changes I'm doing every 3-4 days I don't need filtration, but maybe the filter will pick p some of the algae when it gets stirred up. Any thoughts?
 
I figure with the water changes I'm doing every 3-4 days I don't need filtration, but maybe the filter will pick p some of the algae when it gets stirred up. Any thoughts? [/B]

Water changes can reset the tank nutrient wise, but I want re-iterate my original comments: CO2 is most important, then worry about macros and such. Did you fix your CO2 issue: 20-30ppm?? Are you still getting 1 bubble every sec or two? This is rough, but you need 2-3 bubbles/sec for a small tank IME (these have a lot of surface area:volume)

If you are dead set on DIY CO2 go out and buy two standard strip lights and forget the PCF. Also put on a glass cover, reduce photo peroid to 9 hrs, then keep doing water changes... but unless you step down on lighting nothing will really help unless you fix your CO2.
 
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JLudwig

Yes I have knocked my photoperiod down to 9 hours. I am getting a bubble per 2 sec. I also started adding Flourish Excel to hopefully get back on track. Haven't added the top, maybe i'll consider that. I will get this under control and in the process I will have learned a ton about this planted tank stuff. :-) I've been testing my PH and it is at 7 still. I just received master test kit in the mail and it was incomplete so I can't test for KH. Good part about it is they are sending me another whole kit.
 
Well <Knock on Wood> I think the algae has been beat. The last three days everything has been good and the algae has died back. I think things are finally finding thier balance. The glosso is forming a nice carpet. My rotala indicia is doing well, and even the dwarf hairgrass is beginning to spread nicely. I think the flourish helped out alot. I think it gave that last bit of CO2 that I needed to match my lights. I added fish and some more shrimp this weekend and everyone is happy. Hopefully it will be good times in the 10G. Once I get my hands on a camera, I'll pot some pics. Thanks all for your help.
 
Well the Algae seems back. I had a bit of a CO2 mishap where the CO2 wasn't running up the Hagen ladder. It just bubbled up and out of the tank. This happened for about a week. Anyways I took a pic of my glosso up close. Can anyone ID the types of algae?

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I'd recommend really keeping up on the CO2 brew mix.
Also, if you can sit the bottle on the ballast for the lights or on top of the lights, this will increase CO2 production by warming the brew only when the lights are on.
Less CO2 will be produced at night etc.

I'd spend my $ on a CO2 system before buying more lighting.
You'll have more success going that route almost no matter what.

One thing about algae, keep after it, harass it. You need to keep on top of it for the first 1-3 months and then things settle down and the tank matures. You can decrease this cycling time by using some seed gravel from an established tank, or use the Mulm method(The dirt collected in the bottom of a bucket when doing water changes vaccuming the gravel bed). A little ground peat also helps start a tank up better.

If thuings start getting bad with algae, do a water change, re set the tank and pick all the algae out you can/prune etc. You might need to do this 2x a week for a a couple of weeks, but it will go away if you keep after it.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
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