No morals what-so-ever...

mykidsmylife said:
My daughter is 6. I can't even think of this without feeling sick to my stomach or tears coming to my eyes. That poor child, first the victim of a terribly evil man, then a victim of our justice system. Yes, something should be done.

My only question for graphic design is....what are YOU doing to help??? You lecture that it starts with us, but what are you doing??? Don't make the assumption that EVERYONE just sits around and does nothing to give back....that isn't a fair assesment.

I volunteer on a daily basis to give back to our community. I am a classroom volunteer for our public school system, and I help run a program for poor/ unwed mothers with their newborns by collecting supplies for new babies and helping them find the resources to get help. I spend hours a day sewing blankets too to wrap these babies in and several more hours a day on the phone just trying to find the supplies and help that is needed. My husband is a volunteer firefighter. He does not get paid but puts his very life on the line almost daily and its all to give back to the community. We have taught our children the value of "giving" and hope that there will be two more adults in the world some day who realize that to make a difference it starts with you. I ask again....what do YOU do?
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I must agree that things like this are disgusting. No petaphile or rapist can ever be rehabbed as far as I'm concerned, that impusle will always be there in the back of their mind. And as was said before me, general population in prison usually takes good care of them, if they don't isolate them.

And to the above poster, I'd like to say thankyou for being so kind hearted. People like yu remind me that is still a ray of hope in our crazy world these days. It makes me want to do more for those in need, like giving things like clothes, toys, etc. to the poor, and work to help homeless animals and what not.

Another thing, while a political argument got started on this thread it drew away from what really matters here. There are some horrible things going on in what we humans like to call civilization that we all work to correct, whether in a small or large way. Even though I myself have strong opinions on the political situation in ths country, I can't help but think sometimes it is more like a three-ring-circus. And even though some people expressed strong opposite opinions than me, I can't help but relate in having such strong belief in what I hold to be true or not. I'd honestly rather sit down and have a civil conversation with someone than argue. I wish we could just forget all the political boundaries and labels, and for once just look at eachother as human beings with different opinions. It'd be nice if in our country's system could put more effort forth to try and make things 50/50 for each party. Just my 2 cents.~Angela
 
yeah, it is, but when your own justice system otherwise fails, the real irony is that the very people it has already locked up are the only ones who seek a real punishment for these crimes.
The amzing thing is that even murderers still might have family and children they continue to care about in spite of what they've done. I once saw a docmentary on the infamous "Ice Man", and he loves his kids very much, he even said he'd kill everyone in the room to prove that point when the interviewers were talking to him.
And you know, even though some murderers are really horrible disturbed people, there are those who seem sane and remorseful for what they've done. I think it's much worse to rape/molest someone and leave them to live with memories and pain that will forever torment them, then to just flat out kill them. I don't like murder, but it is a lesser fate then to live in emotional and mental agony throughout one's life.
 
themadblimper said:
never intended for this to be a political free for all... :(

The good news is you can contact the governor of vermont to get this outrage of the justice system straightend out. I'm from PA and I've done it.

here's the email: governor@vermont.gov

simple, isn't it?
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I appoligize about that for my part. I usually try to avoid talking about politics.

As far as contacting the governor, I don't think the current governor appointed that judge, I think Dean did. I don't know about vermonts laws, but typically appointed judges are appointed for life, so the current governor probably can't do anything about that judge. The only options would be for poeple to be so outraged that the judge steps down him self, or if state law allows for a judicial review board to kick a judge off of the bench, but that is a group of other judges and again, the governor has no control over that. Its all part of the checks and balances.
 
if they really wanted to, the DA that was prosecuting and lost could bring some sort of suit to get the judge off the bench for making such an irresponsible and ridiculous ruling. however, it would be detrimental to their career to even attempt to do so unless there is an overwhelming majority of public and intra-system support.

i saw it on law and order; it must be true.
 
Can you people read?

In response to all of you going on the defensive (I'm sure you feel it necessary).

I wasn't just "Bush bashing" although that is a worthy pastime.

I was bashing COMPLACENCY, and pointing out that if complacency rules, this type of outrageous occurence becomes commonplace. Sure the molester should be shot. Sure the judge should be impeached AND imprisoned. What I am saying is that this type of thing has become commonplace because MORE PEOPLE NEED TO GET ANGRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Hold people accountable for their actions. If you are a child molester, are you any less guilty because you were molested as a child? If you invade milions of people's privacy, are you any less guilty because you are president?

If it's the paralells that I use that bother you, then you are just letting your own predjudices and opinions get in the way of understanding the point I am trying to make.

If you don't like my examples that's fine, you're stuck on first base and can stay there for all I care. If you don't like my argument, why don't you try arguing that apathy and complacency do not contribute to outrageous situations like this? (while you're at it, go get another bag of chips, the football game is on soon).

Let me put it like this, the guy molested a child. We all agree that this is wrong. We also can come up with 80 ways we could shoot him, cut his whatever off, throw him in a deep dark hole, etc. There is no debate here. The debate comes when we say, judge X is responsible for him only being in jail for 60 days. How do we make sure this never happens again? Not by stripping judge X of his position and throwing him in jail (which I think is a good idea too), but by showing judge X's everywhere that WE will not tolerate it. It's not just incompetent judges, it is INCOMPETENCE and EVIL everywhere that needs to be addressed. There's way too many examples lately, and people need to make it personal, take it personally when abuse is present, and DO SOMETHING. I don't care if it's writing your senator, picketing the local police over a brutality case or impeaching the president, it all points in the same direction HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

Maybe you should try to understand the POINT of the POST first before getting bent out of shape because you have that republican stick up your @$$. See now I've had to defend myself, say everything already in the first post again, and be generally redundant (which I hate to do).

P.S. GCC is the place for this type of discussion (as far as I know), so if this thread becomes locked just because the topic has become politically charged I'll be disappointed.
 
graphicdesign_r said:
Our president is a rehabilitated drunk (also a rumored cocaine abuser in his youth), liar, mass murderer (I'm not talking about terrorists, I'm talking about Iraqi civilians), tyrant, sneak, and an incompetent fool (some would argue he is innocent of malice due to his monumental stupidity and gullibilty, but I don't buy that).
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Thats about quarter of your post right there. Sure sounds like Bush bashing to me. Then you go on to bad mouth the VP, but you weren't bashing anyone.

You rant so much about complacency, yet you say that Bush bashing is a worthy pass time. Thats really tanking an active roll in things. Before you go of complaining about what everyone else doesn't do, take a look at what you do. Personally I think that watching a foot ball game is a much better pass time then bad mouthing someone who was voted into office, regardless of what political party they are in. I wasn't too fond of Clinton but I didn't go around bad mouthing him all the time.

The problem with parallel reasoning is that you can come up with a parallel reasoning to fit just about any argument.
 
GD_r: You make an excellent point about not being complacent and allowing crap like this to to go on. People should be active and advocate for change. People/politicials need to be held accountable. That said...I do take exception with some of the other stuff you said..

graphicdesign_r said:
P.S. GCC is the place for this type of discussion (as far as I know), so if this thread becomes locked just because the topic has become politically charged I'll be disappointed.
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In answer to this portion of your post, as per GCC guidelines posted at the top of the section...this is not the place for chatting about politics and religion.

When you tell me I can do whatever with my Republican stick .....that is political. I can not like your examples all I want: it's a free country and it's not up to you to dictate what I like or don't like. It absolutely doesn't mean I'm "stuck on first base..", or whatever you intended that to mean. I advocate for causes I choose, while maybe not deemed worthwile by you, are ones I blieve in.

I have taught my kids that conflict is not something to be avoided, indeed it can be your friend, to be used for your purposes. Don't avoid it becasue it is uncomfortable. That is the reason many people stay in their armchairs...they don't know how to handle it, and are afraid of it. Instead if ridiculing people...give them suggestions on how to start...whoever posted the vermont's governor's email addy had the right idea.
 
joephys said:
Thats about quarter of your post right there. Sure sounds like Bush bashing to me. Then you go on to bad mouth the VP, but you weren't bashing anyone.

You rant so much about complacency, yet you say that Bush bashing is a worthy pass time. Thats really tanking an active roll in things. Before you go of complaining about what everyone else doesn't do, take a look at what you do. Personally I think that watching a foot ball game is a much better pass time then bad mouthing someone who was voted into office, regardless of what political party they are in. I wasn't too fond of Clinton but I didn't go around bad mouthing him all the time.

The problem with parallel reasoning is that you can come up with a parallel reasoning to fit just about any argument.
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:thm: Well said joephys! I couldn't agree more! :dance2:
 
joephys said:
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The only efficient government is a dictatorship. Who wants to live under a dictator?

Bush is a lier because we found no WMD, we should we have listened to france. ...
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I almost missd this one..........................

Why do some forget "recent" history?

Iraq's dictator thumbed his nose at the United Nations resolutions. He kept up his violations of the resolution that he even agreed on...

Now, when the U.S. said were "coming in to clean you out"... AND - gave them MONTHS to HIDE and SELL thier weapons in violation of the resolution --- it seems to be a bad thing. Some would rather Iraq keep building and stockpiling massive destructive weapons! (chemical, biological, radioactive) These have been proven to be in production (period) "."

There are times when some can't grasp the 'big picture' - even if it's dropped in their lap.

Iraq should be a staging ground for a more impending threat. IRAN.
 
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