oh no fish with ick

watermelon said:
Hey look, I have been keeping fishes for 10 years..And if you think I will kill my fishes by overdosing them, then that is your opinion..And you said that it is 2 teaspoons per gallon..And when your expert Daveedka says that it is 1-3 teaspoons per gallon..As a matter of fact, I read some of Daveedka threads before..He even said one time, that maybe 2 tsp per gallon might not be enough because he heard that it did not cure Ich before...If you search his posts, it will tell you! Now, you are being very argumative and saying that I am wrong! Well, you telling me what is right, is not going to change how I feel!Now, you go ahead, and try to discredit me and you even discrediting Daveedka in the process by contradicting him!
You're taking a lot out of context here. I never said you were killing your fish by overdosing them on salt, did I? Dunno where you got that idea.

As for me discrediting Dave -- that's almost funny since I'm one of his staunchest supporters. I have nothing but respect for the man and the numbers I am giving you are what he's told me and many others on AC.

As for ich salt resistance: we discussed that here a few months back and Dave considered it highly unlikely that a strain of that type would occur in home aquaria.

Why don't you go over to AB and ask him? The horse's mouth, so to speak ;)

Here: http://www.aquariumboard.com

Roan
 
Roan Art said:
You're taking a lot out of context here. I never said you were killing your fish by overdosing them on salt, did I? Dunno where you got that idea.

As for me discrediting Dave -- that's almost funny since I'm one of his staunchest supporters. I have nothing but respect for the man and the numbers I am giving you are what he's told me and many others on AC.

As for ich salt resistance: we discussed that here a few months back and Dave considered it highly unlikely that a strain of that type would occur in home aquaria.

Why don't you go over to AB and ask him? The horse's mouth, so to speak ;)

Here: http://www.aquariumboard.com

Roan

This is from your expert Davedka. I remember him in my previous threads so there is no need to ask him..And the guy suppose to be your expert and not mine...Here is his quote in a thread:

"As far as salt Quantities, The range recommended is 1-3 teaspoons per gallon, I actually always do 2 teaspoons per gallon , and if tyhere is still ich visible after 5 days (never happens for me, but has for others) then I'd raise it to 3 teaspoons per gallon.

Dave"
 
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And yes, 80 degrees is for gold fish that is what Dr. Johnson said..For tropicals I usually raise it to 86!
 
Roan Art said:
please don't advocate that type of treatment to others
Sooo....don't advocate something that definitely worked and is recommended by several sources and LFS's who aren't "experts" on aquariacentral? Okay, I'll stop disseminating good advice.

I'm also amazed that you seem to know the extent of my ich outbreak. That's amazing. Not that you know the extent of the outbreak but that you are so presumptuous and arrogant to think that you can possibly know what was going on in my tank. My rasboras were covered in spots in a matter of days after being introduced (had no space for a QT at the time). It took me another day or so to get to the LFS to get the advice and salt I needed. I'd say that having 12 rasboras, each covered in white spots for a few days while not being treated qualifies as a pretty hefty outbreak.

Roan Art said:
as it has been proven in the past to not work

Give me evidence that shows that it hasn't. I did it, and it worked just fine. But, heaven forbid you diverge from "accepted practice" on this forum.
 
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watermelon said:
Ghostshrimp, that tablespoon per 5 gallons is not enough to cure Ich...

Well, shucks......I guess after almost a year with no outbreak, I must still have ich. Must be the new strain of invisible ich that lurks in the background and never comes out..........ever. Not even when you just don't have time to do tank maintenance for about a month and things get really scuzzy. Or, when you introduce new fish and, gasp, nothing infects them. That's an interesting opportunistic parasite that misses more than a few opportunities to perpetuate itself..........................................................

I stand by the method I used and I'd definitely do it again......but wait, there's no more ich in my tank so I won't have to. Darn.
 
Ghostshrimp55 said:
Well, shucks......I guess after almost a year with no outbreak, I must still have ich. Must be the new strain of invisible ich that lurks in the background and never comes out..........ever. Not even when you just don't have time to do tank maintenance for about a month and things get really scuzzy. Or, when you introduce new fish and, gasp, nothing infects them. That's an interesting opportunistic parasite that misses more than a few opportunities to perpetuate itself..........................................................

I stand by the method I used and I'd definitely do it again......but wait, there's no more ich in my tank so I won't have to. Darn.

Dude you are saying 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons of water..

1 tablespoon = 15 ml

You are advocating less than 1 teaspoon per gallon of water..

Okay, the conversions might confuse you a little..I am a pharmacy tech/nurse so I know about tablespoons and teaspoons in terms of ml..
 
watermelon said:
Dude you are saying 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons of water..

1 tablespoon = 15 ml

You are advocating less than 1 teaspoon per gallon of water..

Okay, the conversions might confuse you a little..I am a pharmacy tech/nurse so I know about tablespoons and teaspoons in terms of ml..

Refer back to my post with the link to ich diagnosis and treatment and calculations of grams/liter. That level is what is recommended by that site, my LFS and the box of aquarium salt that I bought. And you seem to be missing the fact that THAT IS WHAT WORKED FOR MY CASE OF ICH. Deal with it. I'm not going to backpeddle and say, "Gee, you're right, I was dosing too low." It's not going to happen. Why? Because I dosed at a level high enough to get rid of the ich in my tank. If it was too low, I would have posted something to the effect of "Don't follow the recommendations on the box of aquarium salt because you'll have to treat for ich again...that's what happened to me!" I didn't post that. Why? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. What is with you people???????????? This discussion is almost coming to the point where I'll have to go out and buy infected fish, introduce them to my tank, videotape myself doing the treatment and give a full scientific report of the results.

I didn't dose at the levels that are, in my opinion, unnecessarily high for the treatment of ich. Why is it my opinion that those levels are a little too high? Because I have no ich after treating the way I did. Therefore it is entirely possible, based on my one experience with ich and what people who have been selling fish for a lot longer than a lot of us have been keeping them have told me, that the levels that are recommended here on this forum are a little too high and not totally necessary. Put up proof to the contrary and then your argument will hold water. I have annectodal evidence to support my opinion. All I've read from people here is that "it's too low...why? Because...." Whatever! I know what worked for me. Deal.
 
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Ghostshrimp55 said:
Refer back to my post with the link to ich diagnosis and treatment and calculations of grams/liter. That level is what is recommended by that site, my LFS and the box of aquarium salt that I bought. And you seem to be missing the fact that THAT IS WHAT WORKED FOR MY CASE OF ICH. Deal with it. I'm not going to backpeddle and say, "Gee, you're right, I was dosing too low." It's not going to happen. Why? Because I dosed at a level high enough to get rid of the ich in my tank. If it was too low, I would have posted something to the effect of "Don't follow the recommendations on the box of aquarium salt because you'll have to treat for ich again...that's what happened to me!" I didn't post that. Why? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. What is with you people???????????? This discussion is almost coming to the point where I'll have to go out and buy infected fish, introduce them to my tank, videotape myself doing the treatment and give a full scientific report of the results.

I didn't dose at the levels that are, in my opinion, unnecessarily high for the treatment of ich. Why do I say that? Because I have no ich after treating the way I did. Therefore it is entirely possible, based on my one experience with ich and what people who have been selling fish for a lot longer than a lot of us have been keeping them have told me, that the levels that are recommended here on this forum are a little too high and not totally necessary. Put up proof to the contrary and then your argument will hold water. I have annectodal evidence to support my opinion. All I've read from people here is that "it's too low...why? Because...." Whatever! I know what worked for me. Deal.


Hey stand back and take a smoke or something..
 
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