Omg Glow In The Dark Fish!-what The?

[12 Volt Man]

I can only imagine if I were a pet store owner, and it was a choice between selling genetically modified fish, or the possibility of losing everything I'd worked for...the fish would be in stock.

of course you would.

this was the point I was making earlier.

it doesn't mean your business is bad or that you are dishonest.

it means you are trying to put food on your table.

Some on this thread say they will boycott stores that sell these fish.

I sincerely hope they change this outlook and shop at the LFS.

just bypass that tank.

its not hard.

 

[Rbishop]

I never said I would boycott anything, 12 volt. You stated you didn't support the idea of the genetic altered fish, but would sell them.

That is a direct disregard for principles in sake of personal gain. Period. Not the kind of person or business that I would deal with.

 

[12 Volt Man]

I never said I would boycott anything, 12 volt. You stated you didn't support the idea of the genetic altered fish, but would sell them.

That is a direct disregard for principles in sake of personal gain. Period. Not the kind of person or business that I would deal with.

but you are missing the whole point.

if I am in the LFS business, what alternative do I have as an owner?

sell the fish even though I don't agree with them and stay open

or

don't sell the fish, risk losing my customers to a store that does, and then go out of business.

Are you honestly saying that someone who chooses the first option is "not the kind of person you would want to deal with or do business with"?

come on. that is being unreasonable.

 

[Linariel]

I don't think feeding yourself and your family counts as personal gain.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I guess I just don't hold a principle of that nature as so important I'd disrupt my entire life to do something about it.

I see what you are saying though, rbishop....Like, if that person isn't willing to uphold their morals and standards even when the going gets tough, then that kind of makes you wonder what sort of person they are.

I guess that's a good point, because all anyone can do is live up to their own moral standards, and not everyone else's. So I can see how it would make that person lack integrity.

Now if a store owner did *not* have a problem with these fish, and sold them, would you still do business with them? Because it goes against what you feel is right? Or is it like what I was saying, and if they're putting other things before their own idea of right and wrong, you don't want to support them?

 

[Rbishop]

Listen, you are ignoring the point 12 volt. This is about the dyed/tattooed/altered fish. It is not about whether a LFS should support its customers.

I seriously doubt that any LFS has gone out of business for not selling the dyed/tattooed/altered fish.

Going out of business for lack of customer support, without a doubt there have been many.

You seem to espouse that the only way an LFS can stay open is to sell the fish in question. I seiously doubt that their sale amounts to hill of beans in the long run.

Once again you have driven a discussion off course, with inconsistent logic and discussing a point that was never intended.

 

[Rbishop]

I don't think feeding yourself and your family counts as personal gain.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I guess I just don't hold a principle of that nature as so important I'd disrupt my entire life to do something about it.

I see what you are saying though, rbishop....Like, if that person isn't willing to uphold their morals and standards even when the going gets tough, then that kind of makes you wonder what sort of person they are.

I guess that's a good point, because all anyone can do is live up to their own moral standards, and not everyone else's. So I can see how it would make that person lack integrity.

Now if a store owner did *not* have a problem with these fish, and sold them, would you still do business with them? Because it goes against what you feel is right? Or is it like what I was saying, and if they're putting other things before their own idea of right and wrong, you don't want to support them?

If I knew they personally didn't have an issue with them and were selling them, I probably would not do business with them, as I stated earlier in the thread. But that doesn't mean I would be questioning how their other dealings with me are.

I definitely would not have dealings with a store (owner) that knew and belived those fish were wrong, yet still promoted their sale.

 

[Aphotic Phoenix]

Humans have been "playing God" for thousands of years in some form or another.

Do you know the reason for the scientific research that created "Glofish" in the first place? A quote from Wikipedia:

Their goal was to develop a fish that could detect pollution by selectively fluorescing in the presence of environmental toxins. The development of the always fluorescing fish was the first step in this process.

Someone found a business opportunity in glowing fishes that were created...not surprising. Yes some of the people who buy these fish will be immoral and irresponsible. But immoral and irresponsible people also have cats, dogs, birds, lizards, and even children!

So what is "playing god"? Is a heart transplant, dying ones hair, animal husbandry, putting together creatures that would never have shared the same water system into a small glass box "playing god"? Is making money off something that was created for the purpose of helping mankind evil? (Drug companies anyone?)

I do not believe in dying, tattooing, or painting fish...that is cruel. I do not believe in animal husbandry that will result in creatures with defects that would effect their abilities to eat, move etc. Yet people do it all the time! Considering the alternatives, genetically adding a little glow doesn't bother me quite so much.

 

[UCF-Planted]

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[12 Volt Man]

If I knew they personally didn't have an issue with them and were selling them, I probably would not do business with them, as I stated earlier in the thread. But that doesn't mean I would be questioning how their other dealings with me are.

I definitely would not have dealings with a store (owner) that knew and belived those fish were wrong, yet still promoted their sale.

so, just because a store sells parrots or coloured fish (whether or not they agree with them) automatically means that you question their integrity and how they do business?

out of curiosity, do you shop at any local fish stores at all?

Personally, given how the store where I used to work tried hard (and continues to try hard) to give people honest and fair advice (even at much cost to the business) I find it really sad that you feel that the store must be questioned just because they sell the fish that their customer base wants.

its a leap that has no merit, and is, to be quite honest, not fair to the people out there that work hard at LFS's that happen to sell parrots or other modified fish.

no one questioned our business dealings because we were alway honest and fair to our customers. We were honest about parrots too. But you claim we were simply 'putting the 'blame' on them"..

you have to be fair and honest if you want to stay in business.

and you can certainly do this if you happen to sell parrots too.

-12 Volt

 

[Dwarf Puffers]

CAN THE ARGUMENT BETWEEN A MOD AND A MEMBER PLZ STOP BEFORE MR.MOD GETS MAD AND CANS THE MEMBER!!

IMO, blood parrots or ANY other fish, hybrid or not, that can swim, eat, and is not genetically modified, dyed, tattooed, or massacred in any other way, is a fine fish indeed.

I didn't say I support dyed, tattooed, "heart-shaped", or physically disabled BPs; I said I support the ones that are just as normal as any other fish.

Now, back to the Main Topic of Glo-Fish.

I dont support them.