Onyx Sand

Thanks for the help. Day 3 and the tank is still cloudy although much better than day 1 - I can actually see the fish. :)

I guess I'll try doing some partial water changes weekly until it clears up. Plus I'll add the 2213 and see if that helps.
 
stay tuned....

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More nutrient/mineral content discussion may be upcoming...
 
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Ooops, I was so involved in finding the statement about Onyx Sand being "mineral rich"... from p. 118 of Dr. Foster Smith catalog - and completely forgot to mention the author is Greg Morin (President/CEO of SeaCem) .....
 
I was contacted by 80gJoe concerning this ongoing thread and wanted to clarify some of the issues that have been raised. Flourite, Flourite Red and Onyx Sand do contain other minerals beyond just iron (see below). The mineral content is broad and sufficient enough that in some situations no or very minimal fertilization may be necessary (i.e. low light, low plant population density). However, there are certainly situations where substrate (any substrate) alone will not be sufficient and additional fertilization will be necessary (i.e. fast growth, densely populated or CO2 injected systems). So overall what RTR has been saying is correct, I just didn't want the impression to be left that our substrates were lacking in everything except iron.

Onyx sand Flourite Red Flourite
Ag 10.27 6.922 5.23
Al 822.5 15710 10210
As 51.91 254 169.3
Ba 4.45 104.3 123.9
Be 0.2907 0.9305 0.6249
Ca 197500 120.2 195.3
Cd 11.82 5.979 5.485
Co 3.632 7.757 5.748
Cr 10.14 21.95 13.03
Cu 4.295 19.45 17.36
Fe 2876 16190 18500
K 417 2417 2195
Mg 115400 2816 2281
Mn 43.01 46.84 64.79
Mo 6.419 12.37 9.372
Na 135.1 365 223.4
Ni 7.103 17.72 12.41
P 284.2 195.4 224.5
Pb 30.46 55.2 42.42
Sb 20.64 56.57 40.29
Se 103.2 79.42 64.66
Si 159.2 95.52 95.1
Sr 62.77 25.16 16.28
Ti 42.31 26.28 33.97
Tl 753.3 118.8 98.9
V 7.457 18.23 14.55
Zn 22.81 50.37 28.87
 
One method I have used to off set any KH/Gh effects has been using some ground peat added to the bottom layer of onyx.
Around a handful per sq ft or so, it's not exact:-)
But even with KH3/GH5 tap water, the KH/Gh are stable and have been since I set the tank up about 3 months ago.

I have a good deal of onyx in a 75 gallon.

I also recommend adding some mulm/detritus to the bottom layer(1 inch or so) from an existing tank. Vacuum the gravel good and let the mulm settle to the bottom of the bucket and decant off the clear water. Save this "mulm". Add this fresh to your tank when you need it and feed some into your filter to seed it as well.

The substrate is the one variable that's difficult to reproduce from the start and this adds precisely what the substrate needs.

The flourite and the onyx are also exceptional substrates for non CO2 planted tanks. These, unlike peat and soil based substrates, have only become nicer and more stable over time not needing to be "recharged" or redone.

You can have depths up to 12 inches if you want to slope the gravel or build mounds.

I think perhaps the three main points over the years I've use these two products are: heavy-easy to plant and keep the plants rooted: stability: and good color in a number of species that simply could not be met through water column nutrient dosing alone. I don't worried about or mess with the substrate nor worried about pulling any muck up or fret over a 1 inch slope in the front going up to 12 inches in the rear.

And Greg will answer your questions on the Forums(Where does he get the time?:-))

Now I know Greg as well but I started raving about this stuff long before I knew him. Even Amano used it when he came here. It was heavier than his powersand and did not have the peat preadded, but it was 75% less $ than powersand also.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
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I'd like to thank Greg Morin for taking the time to respond about question(s) on their substrate products. I think there was an old TV commercial that stated, "It's in there.." ...and that could apply to SeaChem's substrates...there's lots of good 'plant stuff' in there! :)
 
Again Joe, you've outdone yourself. Thanks.
Thank you Mr. Morin for responding and it would be nice to see you as a regular contributor.
 
OK, we all agree that Seachem's substrates are awesome. I have some Flourite Red in my planted tank. I do have another question about a different substrate, though.

Has anyone had experience with Aragalive's Planted Aquarium Substrate? It's a dark, rich black color and comes prepackaged with "liquid amazon" which contains live bacteria in it. Anyone like or dislike anything about this product? I would like to try some, although I think I will still use Seachem's product line often, as well.
 
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