Otocinclus macrospilus (Dwarf Oto)

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I've an Eclipse System 6 (6 gallons), planted, filter, heater, etc.,. that has my betta fish in it. I just removed my travelling pl*co, Molly Maid, and replaced her/im with 3 otos (Otocinclus macrospilus). They're the dwarf type of oto (no bigger than 1½" max size) and cute as all get out :)

One of them is very active cleaning the plants during the day, and the other two seem to prefer more night time activity.

Jakers, the betta, is bugging them a wee tad, as is to be expected.

How many otos can I fit into this tank? I'd like as many as possible to lessen the stress from the betta. Could I do 6? They also don't remove as much algae as my pl*co did and my Buddha's robe is getting greenish :) I'm pretty sure there's enough food for them. I have some in my 36 as well and I can transfer some over there if it appears they are running out of algae.

The tank does get about 30 minutes of direct and some indirect sunlight, but I really don't want to move it. It's beside my monitor and I love watching them while I type :P

Thanks!
Roan
 
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Personally, I strongly disagree with the notion that short periods of direct sunlight causes algae, yet one often finds mention of this on the web. It's a rediculous notion that doesn't stand up to anything I've ever observed. My 33 gal gets about 3 hours of direct sunlight on one side during the summer, that side doesn't have any more algae than the rest of the tank. Now if your tank was getting a full day of direct light, perhaps it could be an issue, but I think that a vast minority of tanks fit this profile.

Get your NO3 and PO4 levels tested, this will help identify the cause of the algae. If this is a relatively new tank, don't stress, I've pretty much always had a little algal bloom in new tanks, unless I started with CO2. With attention to maintenance and a little diligent cleaning the period of the algae is quite short.

I wouldn't add any more Otos to that tank, you could probably add one or two more, but they'll be happier as they are. Just add some more plants if it's your planting is sparse and they'll be fine. As long as they have places to hide they'll do okay. The betta should stop chasing them after he gets accustomed to their presence. Worst case he'll take a nip at the dorsal fin and get a dose of an Oto sting, he'll pretty much leave them alone after that.

I know a guy around here who once tried to feed a lone Oto to a tank with 4 Oscars. All 4 tried to eat the Oto, all 4 spit it out and started shaking their heads as if stung. Otos are pretty tough as far as predators go, he suspects that they have a little poison in their dorsal fin, I'm not sure I believe that, but they do have tough hides and spiny fins. The manager at the lfs I frequent watched in horror as a frog in an emersed display in the shop jumped and swalloed an Oto. It was followed by two protrusions shooting out of the frog's belly as the Oto spread its fins, leaving him with a dead Oto and a dead frog, and not mixing the two again. ;)
 
I think that more sunlight = more algea. My dad had a problem with algea in his tank, so he moved it so it didn't get any sunlight, and never turned the tank light on, and hardly any algea grew. Algea are plants and need light to do photosynthesis, although 30 minutes of sunlight is pretty insignificant.

Thats interesting about oto's.... Never knew they were that tough.

I don't think you need to put more oto's in yet. I would wait for a few weeks, and see if the algea gets worse, and the oto's should get more active as they get used to the enviroment.
 
happychem - Interesting - maybe that is why many recommend Dwarf Puffers to reside with Otos...???? Never noticed it in my tanks - but the DP's definately do not bother the Otos - at least not anymore.

I kind of agree with happychem on sunlight - to an extent. My 30G gets about 3 hours of direct sunlight on the left side of the tank. Since it has been balanced - no more additional algae than the rest of the tank - minimal. Before, when the tank nutrients were not balanced - it definately had more algae on it than the rest of the tank. Lesson of day = keep nutrients balanced and algae will not be much an issue - even with direct sunlight problems.

Bigbob55 said:
Algea are plants and need light to do photosynthesis, although 30 minutes of sunlight is pretty insignificant.
Correct - but in a properly balanced tank, the plants will out compete the algae - thus reducing its ability to take the tank over.

As for the ottos - thats alot in there. In my fiance's tank (5.5G) - there are 4 Otos and two bettas (divided of course) and it seems fine. Have not seen any alge but tank is newer and these otos are BUSY. I have 3 in my 5.5G with 2 DP's - I see a little algae but I just wipe it off.

Good Luck

Aries
 
As I said, "short periods" of sunlight. In an unbalanced tank it is not the sunlight "causing" the algae, it is the nutrient imbalance.

Bigbob: "he moved it so it didn't get any sunlight, and never turned the tank light on"
That is not a controlled experiment and you can draw no conclusions about the effect of sunlight on algal blooms from this information. If tank stock, lighting period, maintenance, and everything had been maintained identically with the exception of sunlight, then you could comment on the effect of sunlight on algal productivity. Changing more than one experimental variable greatly impedes one's ability to draw valid conclusions.
 
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Thanks for the replies, guys. I appreciate it. I've gotta put my 4-year-old down for his nap, so I'll go over the answers later. I did want to make 1 quick comment:

Wow, I didn't know that about the fins!

I did know, or at least after I did a little research last night, was that otocinclus is covered with what are called "odontodes". Odontodes are small "hairs" that are actually made of bone material. I did lose 1 oto shortly after I transfered him from QT into my 36 bow and that was the one that got "stuck" in the net. I think I know now why he got stuck and next time I'm going to be even more careful.

http://www.otocinclus.com/anatomy.html

Roan
 
I had no idea there were quite a few varieties of otos but all it took was a quick google. I will have to examine the otos in my tank because there are several tiny ones and several larger ones. I had assumed they were male/female and it probably is that. Still, might as well check it out.

I hadn't thought about otos being quite the defensive warrior since they have the reputation of being so delicate. But it makes sense given that they are a catfish.
 
Is This Possible?

I was cleaning out my bigger tank and when I sat down at my computer, I noticed that two of the three otos in the betta tank (the one I posted about here) are chasing each other in circles and stuff. Can they be spawning???????? From otocinclus.com:

"Parameters for the tank: pH 6.8, KH 5, Temp 26° C
He bought the fish 4 days prior to them spawning, so no special treatment was given, although he reports the tank having plenty of algae. It was most likely the change from the store's water to the aquarist's water (very clean), along with plenty of food, which helped start the spawning. He also reported the corydoras spawning at the same time but it's unclear as to whether it was in the same tank or not.

For pre-spawning behavior the fish were running up and down the sides of the tank chasing each other, mainly in the high currents of the tank. During the actual laying of eggs (which took all day) they spent their time cleaning the area. They deposited one or two eggs at a time, scattered about and not in clumps (as corydoras often do). "

This is exactly what my fish are doing and I just brought them home two days ago. I only QT'd them for 1 day (bad, I know) cause I needed the tank.

I dunno! They're still at it and have been for 30 mins now. I'm watching them to see if they do the "T" thing mentioned on the site.

hell, for all I know they're both males :)

Roan
 
happychem said:
Personally, I strongly disagree with the notion that short periods of direct sunlight causes algae, yet one often finds mention of this on the web. It's a rediculous notion that doesn't stand up to anything I've ever observed. My 33 gal gets about 3 hours of direct sunlight on one side during the summer, that side doesn't have any more algae than the rest of the tank. Now if your tank was getting a full day of direct light, perhaps it could be an issue, but I think that a vast minority of tanks fit this profile.
I do have very little gas exchange compared to most people. Meaning that my tank is filtered, but I have plants situated to cut down on a lot of the surface agitation. Here's a picture of the tank in question:

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Get your NO3 and PO4 levels tested, this will help identify the cause of the algae. If this is a relatively new tank, don't stress, I've pretty much always had a little algal bloom in new tanks, unless I started with CO2. With attention to maintenance and a little diligent cleaning the period of the algae is quite short.
I have the kit to test those and was going to do it tonight. But when I sat down at the computer after waterchanging my 36g tank, I noticed two of the otos in the betta tank (the one we are talking about here) were acting very bizarrely.

They are chasing each other up and down the glass and in circles on the glass. Always on the glass. Actually, the bigger one is chasing the smaller one and I'm going to have to assume that the big one is male and smaller one is female. I don't know how to tell them apart.

They're both doing fly-bys -- almost a dance. I went to the otocinclus site and I'm positive they are spawning. Kid you not!

They've been at it for at least an hour now and I don't know when they started this.

Interesting thing of note: the betta fish seems to be purposely staying out of their way. He's letting them have the entire run of the front part of the tank and he's just watching them. Once in a while he comes forward and follows one, but it doesn't look agressive; more like curiousity.

At one point the male (I think) flipped out. Went coursing around the tank and settled on the back wall. I think he was exhausted. He stayed there for about 10 mins and then went back to the female. Their circles are smaller now and there's more fly-bys. She stops for a few seconds now and then to eat off the glass, then she's off and circling. She's not really stopped at all. He is *definitely* chasing the smaller one.

I did see the female go to the pipstone and clear a little off, but the male didn't go there. I doubt she deposited anything. She keeps stopping at the same part of the glass and eating. I think she's clearing some of the glass off.

Dammit! I have to get to bed and can't stay and watch this. I want to know if I'm right and they are spawning. This is SO exciting!

I wouldn't add any more Otos to that tank, you could probably add one or two more, but they'll be happier as they are. Just add some more plants if it's your planting is sparse and they'll be fine. As long as they have places to hide they'll do okay. The betta should stop chasing them after he gets accustomed to their presence. Worst case he'll take a nip at the dorsal fin and get a dose of an Oto sting, he'll pretty much leave them alone after that.
I don't even see the 3rd one. He could be hiding with all this activity going on or dead. I don't want to disturb the cople at all. I'm not even going to turn the light off like I usually do before bed.

I'll update in the morning. Maybe they'll still be at it.

I could be out to lunch, but my instincts tell me no.

Roan
 
Nice tank.

Very exciting that they could be spawning, not very common from what I hear. Good luck.

As for the betta staying out of the way, I put 2 Otos in my 18 gal tank with my African Butterfly Cichlids. The two Otos spent their first few days in the tank chasing the ABC's and whiteclouds, very funny to watch. I figure I got some "attack Otos".
 
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