I never once said I believed in flower horns being good luck. Your putting words in my mouth. All I said was that the reason they sold for so much is because the people that bought them think they are lucky. That is true and you know it. And BTW, I do think a Striped Midas is much nicer looking than a flower horn. But you must be forgetting about the Gold, Red, Orange and White colors that are also found in the wild. How do you think they got the name "Midas" and "Citrinellus"? And wild Trimacs are very often Bright Lime Green, with a Cherry Red Chest, and with large black blotches trimmed in white down its sides.
petition against the Flowerhorn
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I never once said I believed in flower horns being good luck. Your putting words in my mouth. All I said was that the reason they sold for so much is because the people that bought them think they are lucky. That is true and you know it. And BTW, I do think a Striped Midas is much nicer looking than a flower horn. But you must be forgetting about the Gold, Red, Orange and White colors that are also found in the wild. How do you think they got the name "Midas" and "Citrinellus"? And wild Trimacs are very often Bright Lime Green, with a Cherry Red Chest, and with large black blotches trimmed in white down its sides.
there's a PetSmart near my house that sells them for around $17 or so.
they are lucky. each one is blessed by tibetan monks.
they are lucky. each one is blessed by tibetan monks.
You can create your own designer Flowerhorn by crossing Trimac with any CA. If you want more red, cross with Blood Parrot or Red Devel. If you want spots, cross with Cuban cichlid or Dampsey. If you pattern, cross with Jaquar. All CAs are decendents from a single Cichlasoma line and will readily cross breed. All you need is a big tank and an egg grid divider to prevent the potential mates from killing one another, and additonal tanks to raise the fry. Prepare to cull 90 % because only a small percentage of the fry will grow into show specimen.
There is nothing unethical about creating hybrid. All live bearers in the trade are hybrid of some form and all show discus are hybrid of 2 to 3 species discus in the wild. The crop, fruit and vegetable we eat are mostly hybrid to improve desease resistant and vigor. The beef we eat come from domesticated hybrid cow and many farm raise food fish are hybrid species. Many ornamental plants we grow are hybrid to improve show quality. Rose growers are proud to show off their newest hybrid tea roses. Even the people of the only Superpower are hybrid of mulitple races and ethnic group.
There is nothing unethical about creating hybrid. All live bearers in the trade are hybrid of some form and all show discus are hybrid of 2 to 3 species discus in the wild. The crop, fruit and vegetable we eat are mostly hybrid to improve desease resistant and vigor. The beef we eat come from domesticated hybrid cow and many farm raise food fish are hybrid species. Many ornamental plants we grow are hybrid to improve show quality. Rose growers are proud to show off their newest hybrid tea roses. Even the people of the only Superpower are hybrid of mulitple races and ethnic group.
The rest of the post aside (
) this is exactly the point I was making, and I feel it is valid. The creators aren't sharing much, so who knows? Say it's a hybrid to boost sales? Hey, you might not like it, but look, we (and many other people across the 'net) have given them a TON of free press here! People read this post, wonder what the fracas is about, then check the fish out for themselves. There's nothing really wrong with the fish, so you've just generated alot of intrest there...
The authorities? what, like the government? I don't think they care.
But, like you said they can be bred easily, so what's the point?
Might be that they are keeping it as an "trade secret", planning to use a similar 'recepie' to make other, but different looking, hybrids in the future. By keeping the crosses a secret, they prevent someone else getting the jump on the next hybrid craze...
OR, (and I'm not saying I think this IS the case, but it is a definate possibility) the FH IS just a different color strain, not hybridized at all (or the result of a natural hybrid then caught by a collector) and they just say "hybrid" to gain attention...
How much would a gene test cost?
If all the CA's are descended from a common ancestor, how readily could different species be told apart anyways?
if they did call it a hybrid for commercial reasons, then their plans backfired. in a recent poll, 80% of british fishkeepers claimed they felt hybrid cichlids to be a threat to the hobby. 9% claimed that they didnt like them but didnt see them as a major threat, and 11% said that they didnt have a problem with hybrids. that is an overwelming statistic against them....but at the end of the day it is down to personal opinion. to keep them or not...its your tank, your hobby, your money and your decision at the end of the day.
except, that survay is among fishkeepers. I wonder what the general populous feels? and on different continents?
Also, you wouldn't have to find a perfect match. Different species have certain markers that can distinguish sample A as a human sample, and sample B as a Chimp... You would still have to do a few dozen tests at the least.
Also, you wouldn't have to find a perfect match. Different species have certain markers that can distinguish sample A as a human sample, and sample B as a Chimp... You would still have to do a few dozen tests at the least.
I bet that if you go to Asia and do a survey, you will get majority approval of hybrid cichlid. Flowerhorn, Blood Parrot and Red Oscar were Asian invention nd are highly priced there. The biggest spenders on fish are Asians. Look at those $10,000+ Koi, Flowerhorn and Red Aisan Arowana.
ACA is against cichlid hybrid and yet approves the many varieties of show discus which are product of decades old hybridization and line breeding.
ACA is against cichlid hybrid and yet approves the many varieties of show discus which are product of decades old hybridization and line breeding.
discus VARIATIONS (they r not hybrids in the true sence of the word) are a cross between different discus varities, as is the variatus platy, and is not a cross between 2 or more completely different spieces of fish. the difference is that the discus can naturally inter-breed, whereas the hybrids that are created from man crossing many different species of cichlids is a completely unnatural processing involving the use of hormones.
