pH Levels - Prime etc..

mbiggs03

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OK.. my local petshop SWEARS by using acid buffer to bring the pH levels down to a more neutral state. My pH is running at about 8.3 according to my tests. (Liquid/Vial). And everyone here swears by leaving it alone at 8.4. I don't know what to do lol. AND.. another thing.. with the Prime stuff... if I were to condition my water for chorline and chloramine when I put it in the tank... wouldn't that kill the ammonia? Or do I add my prime... let it sit for 24 hours... and then add ammonia? How much ammonia do I add? I heard 5 PPM but I don't know. I was told I would go through about a gallon of it during the whole cycling process. Anyways... let me know what ya'll think and swear by.

Thanks in Advance!
 
Did you test your water straight from the tap or the tank? If from the tap, best to let a cup set out overnight and then test it. Also, adding a piece of driftwood to your tank may reduce the pH some.

It's recommended to not use chemicals to lower your pH. I have heard this referred to as "Chasing the dragon". Basically, you put in your chems to lower the pH and next thing you know, it creeps right back up. So, you dose again. And it climbs again. The roller coaster ride is going to stress your fish. This is how it was explained to me.

As for your amonia issue, I'll check back to see what others say. Kinda interested in what Prime might do to amonia.

Hope it helps!
DeMonZ
 
ALright... get back and let me know. I was told to put the prime in... and then let it sit out.. to dilute it enough to where it would not take my ammonia away. So basically I am stuck getting fish that like alkalyney water. They said this acid buff stuff I got does not let it rise back up again. It keeps it down or something. Just add it again when I do water changes before I put the water in or whatever. Idk..
 
most fish can adapt to higher ph. a stable ph is far better then one that swings. there is only a few cases where i would even think about messing with the ph. in those cases i wouldnt use chemicals.

i think it comes to trust..... are you going to trust the people at the lfs who are trying to sell you something or us who only interest is the fish well being. if you are going to trust the lfs search on here and see how many posts about the wrong info the lfs told them.
 
my local petshop SWEARS by using acid buffer to bring the pH levels down to a more neutral state.
this only goes to show how little your local petshop knows, and how little you should rely on them for information.

pH and buffering capacity are interrelated; buffering capacity refers to water's ability to maintain a stable pH as acids or bases are added indirectly. bicarbonate (HCO3-), carbonate (CO3-), and in rare instances, hydroxide (OH-) ions are called buffers. If the water has sufficient buffering capacity, it can absorb and neutralize acid without significantly changing the pH. Buffering has both positive and negative consequences. on the plus side, the nitrogen cycle produces nitric acid (nitrate). without buffering, your tank's pH would drop over time (not a good thing). with sufficient buffering, the pH stays stable (a good thing). adding pH reducing chemicals will lower your buffer capacity and result in unstable chemistry.

think of a buffer as a large sponge. as more acid is added, the "sponge" absorbs the acid without changing the pH much. the "sponge's" capacity is limited however and once the buffering capacity is used up, the pH changes more rapidly as acids are added. when you add acid buffer to your water, you'll will deplete the 'sponge' and all of a sudden, your pH will plummet resulting in severe stress to your fish.

morevoer, next water change, you'll be adding alkalinity back to your water and this can result in a yoyo effect, again stressing your fish.

bottom line, leave your pH just the way it comes out of the tap. your fish will be fine.
 
liv2padl...outstanding comparison!
 
OK - I am sold. I'll ditch the stuff... I don't think I can take it back... and another thing.. they won't even let me take my fish back to the store if they are aggressive... they just said.. "Well, we really don't like to do that... it just depends.. etc... cause you may introduce illnesses to the aquariums... nothing personal..." and don't flush them... because they will be put in acidic water which will hurt them badly... that in order to get rid of the fish... i should thump them really hard or freeze them... and then flush them... :-/
 
Well, Prime converts ammonia into ammonium of which the same bacteria that breaks down ammonia will still break down ammonium into nitrite. That is to say Prime shouldn't effect your aquariums bacterial cycle. Another issue however is that not all ammonia tests will show ammonium. As for having a high ph I also would encourage you not to mess with a chemical solution. You could of course always go with an african cichlid aquarium.
 
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