PH problem

gandy78

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I have had my fish tank for over 7 years. Last week my fish started to die all of a sudden. I had my water tested and they pet store sais I had no PH in my water. They also tested my tap water and that was at 7.6. I use tap water to do all of my water changes etc. I have a 20-gallon tank. They told me to do a 50% water change and said that would bring my PH up. I did and it is still low. I bought an API master kit and this is what my water looks like. I do not know what to do about this situation. I have never had this happen before.

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What fish are you keeping that would be impacted by the low pH? What is your tap water pH? After aging it for 24 hours? What is you KH & GH?

I've lived in places where I had "seasonal" water, winter vs summer. But as long as I did regular weekly 25-35% water changes I saw no ill effects on my fish.

Tell us more about your tank
 
G gandy78
After you read the below, I suggest you go here http://fins.actwin.com/aquariafaq.html then click on Your First Aquarium. You should read the section:
Beginner FAQ: Practical Water Chemistry


While any real help here will require a lot more information, I can comment on one aspect. Because I have kept Altum angels, I have regulated their tank from a low of 4.2 pH when they arrived from the wild to the 6.0 I moved them up to over 6+ months. In order to do this I had to purchase a continuous digital monitor. The reason is that hobby pH test kits stop at 6.0 on the downside. The issue with hobby kits occurs at the extreme levels at either end of the scale they offer. Once one hits the highest or lowest number on the scale, one can not assume the actual level does not lie byond that test number.

When the pH kit reads 6.0, it may be 6.0 or 5.0 etc. So even with the picture provided by the OP, we can not say for sure what the actual pH of the tank is. There is a way to circumvent this problem, it is the reverse of diluted testing which is used when the reading is at the top number of the scale. The first step is to understand the process involved. If one is testing for nitrite and it reads at the top number, how can we determine if this is the actual level or if it is really higher? We dilute the sample. If we combine 5 ml of tank water and 5 ml of pure water and then use 5 ml of this, it results in all readings being only half of what they really are. If this number is below that top number on the color chart, all we have to do is multiply the diluted test result by 2. Basically, one is testing 1/2 a sample and multiplying the result by two converts it to a whole sample test number.

When the problem is at the lower extreme of the test scale, we need to do the reverse. We need to concentrate to sample so it will produce an accurate low number. The process here is instead of testing a 5 ml sample, we must use 10 ml of tank water and then divide that number in half. The other possibliity, when available, is to reduce the number of drops of the reagent(S). For the API pH test kit this method wont work since the test calls for 3 drops and we cannot make 1/2 a drop (half of 3 is 1.5 drops). So for the OP, he test must be done with 3 drops put into 10 ml of tank water. This will require a larger test tube. I use the API kits and can tell you the tubes will not hold 10ml of water plus 3 drops of the reagent.

The other thing I know is my $250 three way digital monitor freaks out if I put the probes into pure water. By way of a short chemistry lesson, pure water should have 0 conductivity/TDS and a neutral 7.0 pH. This is not the case when we work with it for tanks. Unless we are in a vacuum, there is co2 in the air, and therefore in the water. Some of the co2 in water becomes carbonic acid. The result is when I mix my pure water with my 7.0 pH tap water the expected result of 7.0 is not what I get. It reads somewhere in the 5.7 range. The reason is the co2 in the water acts to lower the pH. This is because there is no KH in pure water and KH is what holds any given pH level in water steady. So when I mix pure water with my tap, I effectively cut the KH in half which allows any acid to have a greater effect on pH.

Note, the nitrogen cycle at work in our tanks will work to drop pH over time. Nitrate will create nitric acid in water and this will drop a tank's pH over time. This is one of the things that occurs in "Old Tank Syndrome." and is another reason for doing regular water changes.
 
Just to add to the above, if you don't do regular water changes and just top-up when needed, simply put, the tank's water chemistry is going to shift far away from your tap water chemistry. Often referred to as "old tank syndrome". I would do small water changes over the course of days until your tank's pH reads what your tap water reads.
 
I only have 3 cherry barbs, 1 African Aquatic frog, and a Septra Tetra. I had guppies, mystery snails, and cory catfish and they died last week. Tap water PH is 7.6. I have no idea what KH and GH mean? Never heard of that.
What fish are you keeping that would be impacted by the low pH? What is your tap water pH? After aging it for 24 hours? What is you KH & GH?

I've lived in places where I had "seasonal" water, winter vs summer. But as long as I did regular weekly 25-35% water changes I saw no ill effects on my fish.

Tell us more about your tank
I have 3 cherry barbs, 1 African Aquatic Frog, 1 Septra Tetra living because all of my guppies and cory catfish died last week when my water starting to act strange. I have never had this happen before. None of this makes sense.
 
Just to add to the above, if you don't do regular water changes and just top-up when needed, simply put, the tank's water chemistry is going to shift far away from your tap water chemistry. Often referred to as "old tank syndrome". I would do small water changes over the course of days until your tank's pH reads what your tap water reads.
I usually take 5 gallons out of my tank every 2 weeks. The pet store told me to take out 50% last week when all of this started to happen and that is what I did. Should I do small water changes now? Or wait until next week? Are you talking about vacuuming the rocks as well?
 
G gandy78

I gave you a link to read so you would learn what KH and GH are and a few other basics as well.
 
I usually take 5 gallons out of my tank every 2 weeks. The pet store told me to take out 50% last week when all of this started to happen and that is what I did. Should I do small water changes now? Or wait until next week? Are you talking about vacuuming the rocks as well?

Like 2tank suggested above, read up on the Kh, Gh thing.

For a 20gal tank, i'd monitor the fish and change maybe 2-4 gal once per day until the tank and tap water pH match. I never do less than a 50% water change on any of my tanks. Most are closer to an 80%. Two of my tanks I do a this every week. The others every other week. It's all based on your stocking level, how much food you put into the tank, if the tank has plants, etc. I would gravel vac aggressively if the tank doesn't have plants.
 
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