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So my sister got a little green spotted puffer for her tank last week and I am having a hell of a time feeding the poor thing. As of right now he will eat a few frozen blood worms and ghost shrimp (We had 12 in the tank with him, only 3 are left). He doesnt seem interested in the frozen brine shrimp or the sinking shrimp pellets and we can not find any LFS with small pond snails for him, though we keep looking. Most of the food that goes in his tank gets eaten by the pleco and cory and they almost push him out of the way to get to it! Poor thing is supposed to be semi aggressive and is getting bossed around by the cats!!!

Just wondering if anyone else had any suggestions, thinking about getting some frozen krill after work. All ideas are welcomed!

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Thank you from Paul the Puffer!

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cant find pond snails at the pet store try the POND!!!!!!!!!!!!

try earthworm peices the size of the pellets
 
I've found that my DPs will not eat any frozen food other than blood worms. They'll tear the heck out of live snails. Don't forget that GSPs have to have snails (or some sort of crunchy food) to help keep their beaks from getting out of control. Don't forget also that GSPs are brackish fish when young and need higher and higher levels of salinity as they age, up to full marine in adulthood.

Can you get a pic of him from the side? Does he look skinny? Puffers are notoriously succeptible to internal parasites. When the parasites progress far enough, the puffer will stop eating.

It could be that he's just getting enough to eat from the frozen blood worms and shrimp.
 
This could be a mess.

The main things to get out of the way with GSPs.... How big is the tank? These fish are small at the store, but grow a bit and are rather active in the right conditions. They need a tank in the 3' range. They get bored easily. That tank doesn't appear to have a lot of decorations. They are brackish/saltwater fish. They tolerate freshwater when young (more for food since they can handle saltwater at just about any age), but move towards the ocean as they get older.

As for food. Avoid krill if you can. It isn't healthy for them and they can get hooked on it. Then you have a whole new set of problems. Bloodworms seem fine. Feed the Ghost Shrimp good food and they should be a nice way to deliver stuff into the puffer's stomach that it refuses to eat. Pond snail are always good. Not sure how you approached the employees but don't ask them for pond/ramshorn snails. Ask them for the snails that infest their tanks that they are always trying to get rid of. They don't sell them so they may not know what they are called. :laugh: Otherwise go to the nearest lake with aquatic plants and starting pulling them up. Should find some snails pretty quickly. This time of year, if I want Bladder/Ramshorns I fill a bucket with Pennywort, Waterweed, and Hydrilla. Bound to be a bunch in there.

Yours appears to be stressed. If it was just recently put in the tank then it could be normal stress. If it is constantly showing those colors (especially after eating) and resting on the bottom a lot, you may need to treat for parasites. That can be tricky since they can be picky eaters when sick.

Also, the timidness could be age or sickness. I wouldn't call them semi-aggressive at all. They are very timid when sick, and sometimes allow other fish to push them around a lot more when young. As they get older they get more bold and depending on personality can range anywhere from bully to homicidal maniacs.
 
i agree with everything that was said above. GSP is a brackish fish so keep that in mind. you will have to get his own tank and put him on the right diet. i have been reading that they wont survive on pellets or flakes like the community fish. they are more picky eaters but their smarts and personality are worth it! =)))
 
That much black on a GSP, it's definitely stressed. Get a ton (I mean a ton) of decorations ASAP. Doesn't really matter what it is, just things to break up line of sight. My local fish store has old beaten up fake plants for $1 a piece, I sometimes get a bunch of those and mix things up to keep my puffer "on her toes." I also recommend some kind of fake stump or cave. They like to have somewhere to retreat to and feel safe, especially when stressed. Also get some kind of substrate in there if possible. Sand is best since they tend to make little "nests" and rest on the bottom at night, and have no scales for protection. It's also (at least in my experience) easier to keep clean than gravel and they can be very messy fish with the way they eat. Most fish don't like a reflective bottom, and this goes double for GSPs and other aggressive fish -- it's constantly being taunted by a rival you can't get to to bite! Or, even if their own reflection doesn't bother them, light coming from the "wrong" direction often does.

I'll second the recommendation to avoid krill. Mine is hooked, and it really isn't good for them. I have to practically starve her to get her to accept anything else, and it can eventually give them a sort of "lock jaw" if fed too often.

You're looking for "pest" snails. My local PetSmarts will give them away for free, so you may have better luck using that term.

Was this tank fully cycled before you got the fish? What is your filtration like? Over-filtering with these guys is really important. I have mine (about 2.5") in a 20 gallon alone, with a Marineland Penguin 350B rated for a 70G tank on it, and I plan to swap that for a canister rated for 150G at some point. This should give you a point of reference for how seriously insufficient something like a 20G rated filter would be.

Full grown these guys need at least a 30G, but a 20G will be fine for a year or so if they're 2" or smaller. If he's in a 10 please get a larger tank as soon as possible. That could be part of the reason for stress.

Do you know if the fish was in brackish or fresh water at the store? Regardless, you should start transitioning to brackish as soon as possible. That alone could reduce stress a lot. I recommend moving to full marine if possible -- many GSPs seem to do a lot better in full marine, even at a very young age. If the cost of marine salt is prohibitive (using it up during water changes) just go to mid brackish. Take it slow, more to allow the bacterial colonies in your filter to die off and be replaced / transition without a sudden full die off than for the fish. I've seen these fish move from low brackish to full marine in a couple of hours without issue. They're tough, and used to salinity changes. Regardless, take it slow.

If it looks skinny, or looks "full" only briefly after eating it almost certainly has internal parasites. These are common as others have said. I recommend treating with API General Cure or similar as soon as possible. You might also try anti-parasite food, but the likelihood of it being eaten is almost zero -- these fish don't like prepared food as a rule, especially flakes, which is the only way I see medicated food offered locally. Treat with General Cure in the main tank, don't worry about quarantine. It will not hurt the good bacteria you want to keep.

If you started with 12 ghost shrimp and have 3 now, it ate 9. That's actually a lot of food, assuming we aren't talking about really tiny ghost shrimp and a full grown 6" GSP. That said, if it ate that much it really shouldn't look that skinny. Hopefully it's just the angle of pictures.

Are his fins closed (clamped) like that often? That's another sign of stress and possible disease. If he only does it occasionally it's okay, but given it was in both pictures that got me thinking.

Last thing (for now) I promise! If that isn't the only fish in that tank... get ready for a bloodbath when he starts feeling better.
 
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Reread the first post, missed the mention of tankmates. No way a GSP can live with a pleco and corys. None of the cats will tolerate the level of salinity the GSP needs to stay healthy. That, and once he recovers from whatever currently ails him (likely internal parasites) he may well decide to kill them all. Either he needs to be returned, or to get his own tank. Sorry. In truth, if this fish is getting pushed around by corys he is very far gone indeed...

Whoever told you they are semi-aggressive had no idea what they were talking about. Green Spotted Puffers are killers, plain and simple. They're extremely aggressive -- most aggressive toward their own kind, true, but everything else is most often seen as food. Anything in a tank with that fish should already be dead.
 
agree with everything Silent said, your best bet is to just return him.
 
Shows how much the people at my LFS know... Thanks, puffer will be going back and I will relay the info you all have given me to the store and my sister.
 
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