(pics from) the notorious bubblenest incident?

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(pics from) the notorious bubblenest incident…

I was kind of surprised when these two started spawning not so long after taking up residence. I think the water conditions were to their liking and that the plants help encourage them as well. For a week or 10 days all hell brook loose in the tank. Before that and after that its been generally pretty calm.

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This is the male building his nest, a view from above of the nest (over the ambulia, I think those are the eyespots on the right). In the bottom picture you can get an idea of the blue/green/purple tones that light up the males plumage when he's on (this is about the standard level of blur for 75% of the pics).

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The top two pics are the male and female. The books always seem to direct you to look for a pointier anal fin in the male and always note the redder throat. I still can't distinguish the point and they were both a bit washed out in the store -- the guy there pointed out to me how much longer the dorsal fin is on the male: it reaches the base of the tail. This seems to be true of the other trichogasters as well (moonlight, 3 spot, etc.).

The two bottom corners are the spawning embrace. She initiates it by coming over and bumping him in the side and then rolling over flat. It lasts for only a few seconds and ends with a wild full tank chase that freaks out all of the other fish (except the loaches -- loaches never freak out). If he catches her he'll give her a rather violent couple of hits. She uses obstacles to evade him until she can get back to the shelter of her ambulia grove. They'll repeat this over and over again, sometimes resting for no more than 10 or 15 minutes.
 
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Re: (pics from) the notorious bubblenest incident…

Originally posted by carpguy
If he catches her he'll give her a rather violent couple of hits. She uses obstacles to evade him until she can get back to the shelter of her ambulia grove.

Do you ever find that the female start to 'fight' back? Kind of nibble at him to get him going? Ive noticed this in bettas, three spotted gouramis and dwarf gouramis.

Great pictures BTW
 
Re: Re: (pics from) the notorious bubblenest incident…

Originally posted by Roland
Do you ever find that the female start to 'fight' back? Kind of nibble at him to get him going? Ive noticed this in bettas, three spotted gouramis and dwarf gouramis.

Now that you mention it, she doesn't bump in the side as much as nibble at his side. He's actually the one who lays over in response to this. She keeps at it until he's basically flat underneath her, at which point he curls up like a taco around her.

The chase would go to the opposite end of the tank, straight through the very nervous rasbora and barbs who were schooled almost into a ball. She would either make a quick turn around a plant, between the heater and the wall and across the back or he'd pin her down in the corner, at which point she would fight back but only long enough to get a little space. In either case he'd break off and return to guarding the nest.

They haven't done this since I started hardening the water in anticpation of adding CO2. It was interesting to watch but I'm just as glad to have my nice peaceful tank back. I think the rasbora are too.
 
Re: Re: Re: (pics from) the notorious bubblenest incident…

Originally posted by carpguy
would either make a quick turn around a plant, between the heater and the wall and across the back or he'd pin her down in the corner, at which point she would fight back but only long enough to get a little space. In either case he'd break off and return to guarding the nest.

Very similar to what happened with my dwarfs - the males bubble nest was on the far left of the tank, they spawned there (obviously!) and then before he fetched his sinking eggs he would DRIVE the female to the far right of the tank, where she would turn and chase HIM back towards the nest, as if saying 'Hey, get back to work! The eggs are sinking! Get them in the freakin nest!' (please excuse the dramatisation!)

And humans think they have wierd relationships....!
 
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