thanks Kathryn. I see places like these chain pet stores where they have every kind of animal for sale and it always seems that the poor fish seem to always be neglected. I have 2 stores here within 1 mile, a petco and a petsmart . but i will make about a 75 mile round trip to do business with my dealer. He may cost a little more, but he sells fish and ONLY fish. Wal mart is very bad here they will sell fish covered with Ich and tell people that they are a breed of spotted fish when asked. they have no business selling fish if they have no idea what they are doing and most definately not give people advice on raising fish, in my opinion.