Pit Bull bans...WTF?

...sorry..one last thing to Labonte865. Please dont feel that I was attacking you directly. I understand that there can be good and bad breeding and this may have all the difference in the world with the dog, but my problem lies in what seems to happen when a fight or bite does break out. There is just too much damage caused because the dog is strong, thats why i'm happy they are being banned.

I'd feel the same towards other dogs that are similar as well. Rotweillers (spelt wrong I'm sure) I see a lot in the news as well. Maybe again that goes to the bad ones being bred but I myself and not comfortable with these dogs and I know a lot of dog owners who seem to be worried when they see these dogs around (either picking up their dogs and walking by or crossing the street etc.). Shows people are generally concerned and afraid.

Anyway I think I probably have frustrated dog owners enough so I'm going outside to enjoy the great weather now and give you guys some peace :) Again, none were supposed to come across as personal attacks.. I'm just very straight forward in saying things...
 
No, thugs go for these breeds as you said to make themselves look tough. That does not mean that the breed is bad just becasue some people want to use them as an accessory. And furthermore- how do you know these people are even thugs? Don't get me wrong- I know exactly what you are talking about. But it's the same complaint that good breeders have- doesn't that tell you something? And Rottweilers are not actually an aggressive breed. they are a dominant breed. There is a difference, but without proper handling they do have the same result. In any breed there are individuals that are just wired incorrectly, so to speak. but the majority of the time, problems with the so- called bully breeds are the fault of the owner. And I'm sorry, but you were not entering this discussion for the purposes of a dialog. call it not sugar coating if you want, whatever, but that's not what it was.
edit- we posted at the same time, sorry if I mistook your intentions. your statements about what does and does not constitute a 'civilized dog' were pretty imflammatory though. I do think that you should think a bit more about your position on this- I don't know a lot about pit bulls but you are clearly totally ignorant about Rottweilers. that's not meant to be a personal attack either, but I don't think you get the whole problem.
 
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But at the same time, (and I hope this doesn't offend you) I don't know that I want a dog that is that keenly protective of its owner in the park with me. I don't know that dog- how am I supposed to know what it is going to see as a threat to its owner? I realize that the case with your friend was different but what if that border collie invading his space had been just some hippie trying to catch a frizbee and not watching where he was going? What if I'm jogging past you and he thinks I'm something to chase? I think a dog who sees their entire function as protection is sometimes lacking in discretion.
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I always want my dog to look to me before it makes the decision of what is and isn't a threat and see what makes me uncomfortable :). Most dogs, IME (which is limited) will do this already if they are the cautious type... Maddi does it with me to see how I am reacting to the cituation.

I might also add that thugs choose pitties over rotties and other breeds because they can take a stroll down the street and get a pup for free while they would have to plop $500 or more down to get a rottie, dobe, or gsd pup.

Also, just food for thought, but if there were an accurate way to find out how many of each breed were in the country. Then, we could find what percentage of that breed have recorded bites. That way, we could look at the percentage instead of a number. As an example, if there are 3X as many pitties in the country as compare to say... rough collies, then, off course, there is a likelyness that the breed would acount for more bites than that of a collie... I don't know if that makes sense, does it?

Another site that might be of interest, shows a lot of "dangerous" breeds that are innocent.
http://www.sorryagain.com
 
Yes your right puma. They did this for the study in that video in my sig. They took a rough estimate for all of north america. by getting info on how many dog owners there are per capita in certain cites and by finding out how many of each breed there was in those certain cities and then transferring that to a national average. They then did the same with attacks and that where they got the number of only 1.84% of attacks are by Pit Bulls. they also did a study of 100 different breeds that have attacked people int he past 15 years and found that per capita PitBulls were number 94 out of 100 most likely dogs to bite. The most likely dog to bite was the JRT followed by the Retriever and cocker spaniel. which all account for nearly 6% each for attacks in that first study. I wish I had the link to the site with all the stats but I cant find it right now, I will post it when I find it.
 
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I remember having met rotties when I was younger, and they were well cared for. They were a family friend's dogs. Sometimes they'd be waring t-shirts and such. Yeah, they were big brutes but they had good temperments, and never hurt anyone. Of course as most dogs will do, they barked quite a bit if you were on the opposite side of the fence as them. I can't blame them for protecting their home.

And I must agree with Labont that they do seem more dominant than to be outright aggressive. They really just try to convey the message with their posture, barking, etc. over actual attack. Then, when they see you are no longer a threat, they become calm, and either ignore you or be friendly. At least that's my own experience.

I even have a woman across the street that has a female rotty named Sheba that she rescued from an abusive situation. The dog had been extremely thin, and the owners had beaten her to try and make her mean. But, she didn't have a mean bone in her body, and now, she has a good home. She often gets to come out in her front yard to play with Morgan, an other female dog that lives right nextdoor. They both have been strickly trained to stay in their own yards without going into the street or after anyone. They are both very obediant in this respect, I've never seen them leave that yard. Sheba always runs crying to me when she sees me coming to her yard to say hi to her, because she gets excited when it's someone she gets to play with. If you sit down next to her, she'll even lean up against you, she almost knocked me off balance once eventhough she's not as big as other rotties.

I think many problems with domesticated animals start with humans, due to the fact that often we don't take responsibility for what we create. Over thousands of years, humanity has molded and shaped dog for its many needs and desires. These creatures who's loyalty is above that of many men deserve much better than to be put do death for something that humankind has bred into them with less than honorable intentions. We should be so lucky to share our lives with such a creature of love, even if they have their flaws, we must take great care of the life we create to protect them from the worst of situations or from those owners who are not properly educated in the breed and its needs. Let us face and admit our mistakes, if anything, it is worth saving an innocent life who never asked to be here, and to give that life the best we can offer for the time they are here. Why can't we, humanity admit our mistakes rather than blaming another? Why is it that our species cannot own up to the fact that we started these problems that have led to such consequences? This inknown reason people have for doing this, I will never understand. Sorry if my post was really long, but I can't stand by quietly when an animal, however vicous or not, is blamed for something that clearly never began with them.~ Angela
 
svtcontour said:
How much more clear does it have to be. Pitbulls have been bred by people as fighting dogs. On purpose, they have been bred to be aggressive
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Um, like chickens. Um, what else do we breed to fight? It doesnt matter. ban em
 
I can see it on spike tv now "When chickens attack."...
 
Roosters can be out and out mean, one of my teachers this last year had some and said that they had been known to kick people with their spurs and draw blood...

My cousins have two female rotties, their teddy bears (though one was very flatulant :thud: )
 
Rottweilers are great- actually if anything made me pay attention to what is happening with pit bulls right now it's the fact that I have known so many wonderful rottweilers and now people are saying the same things about them that they have been saying about pitt bulls. My Mom has a rottweiler she got from a rescue as a puppy (so as all of you guys now know, my Mom is a total thug, as most middle aged stencil artists are). Someone threw her out of a moving car on a highway on- ramp. A cop picked her up but never caught the people. No doubt they have another Rottweiler by now, I'm sure it has no manners and no training but people will still lump it in the same class as my Mom's dog. By the way- baby bunnies frolic past this dog unharmed- no joke. My Mom's cousin breeds champion AKC Rottweilers (she is the worst type of social miscreant- a soccer mom with three honor roll kids. Thugs.) and when my first horse was in the vet's clinic for surgery they had Rottweilers there guarding the place. Oh they were awful. Sometimes they would just come bounding over full speed and lick you and lick you- truly terrifying.
 
Lila Boffins said:
All dogs have the potential to be dangerous. Should any be allowed in public?
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You should see my mini-longhaired 7 pound dachshund! She stands her ground against full grown short haired weiner dogs or sausage dogs, whatever you like to call them... Thats vicious!

(Ooops, off Topic..)

:D
 
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