I use Prime, but have just sort of "eye-balled" it... knowing that overdose isn't detrimental and forever forgetting to get a dropper.
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thats the one thing I actually don't like about some of the seachem products.
they are super concentrated.
when I worked at the LFS, this lead to two problems:
1. we had tanks overdosed on fertilizer (excel and flourish I think) more than once..now granted, its from people not properly reading the directions, but accidents can happen when calculating doseages if you are not..um...'mathematically inclined lol...
thus, when someone thinks they are putting in enough excel for 50 gallons and actually put in enough for 500..well, lets just say that plants will melt in a day with that much excel..
2. the other thing I don't understand from a business perspective is Seachem products are almost TOO concentrated.
ie. customers by one bottle of their solution and don't have to buy any more for 6 or 8 months.
great for us as hobbyists..but not great for Seachem itself or the stores that sell it..
from a company standpoint it is puzzling why Seachem would do this, since it is not to their advantage to have this happen.
you want customers to buy your products on a regular basis... not once a year
its hard to keep making money that way, particularly if your products are similarly priced to other competiting products that customers have to buy on a more frequent basis...
But what about word of mouth advertising by having a great product? Check out the number of posts recommending Prime compared to others... they get the hardcore, well-informed minority and therefor longterm results. If the company were Publicly traded, it's probably be different...
Yep. if you get the 250ml bottle......
2 caps for your 75........
1 cap each for the rest of your tanks, unless you want to measure it .....
Oh, don't get me wrong. Seachem was easy to sell because they make excellent products.
and customers want to buy concentrated stuff.
what I was getting at was from Seachems perspective, it is better for them to have people buying their products on a more frequent basis than very infrequently.
I mean, if I bought the 2 litre bottle of Prime, and given that I change about 125 gallons per week, that means that theoretically it would last.. (50,000 gallons/125 gallons per week) = 400 weeks or about 7.5 years!
7.5 years for one 70 dollar purchase!
now, of course thats in a perfect world, of meticulously measuring out every drop..but still.
you get what I am getting at.
from a business perspective, it doesn't really make sense..
and customers want to buy concentrated stuff.
what I was getting at was from Seachems perspective, it is better for them to have people buying their products on a more frequent basis than very infrequently.
I mean, if I bought the 2 litre bottle of Prime, and given that I change about 125 gallons per week, that means that theoretically it would last.. (50,000 gallons/125 gallons per week) = 400 weeks or about 7.5 years!
7.5 years for one 70 dollar purchase!
now, of course thats in a perfect world, of meticulously measuring out every drop..but still.
you get what I am getting at.
from a business perspective, it doesn't really make sense..
Yep. if you get the 250ml bottle......
2 caps for your 75........
1 cap each for the rest of your tanks, unless you want to measure it .....
Yeppers! :grinyes:
you guys can see what can happen here from the retailers perspective now..
if you push seachem's root tabs for example, as your main tablet fertilizer, and tell customers to follow the directions..they replace the tabs once every 3 months...
3 months is a long time.
so, now you have lots of plant people that don't have to buy fertilizer from your store for a long time...
and your sales of plant fertilizers stagnate..
its just a weird scenario, both from the retail perspective and the company perspective.
I alway found that I was being torn from both directions:
on one hand you WANT to sell the product because it is great, but on the other hand you have competing product that works just as well but will not last as long and will require the customer to come in and buy more in far less than 3 months..
well, its a weird situation to say the least..
it would be great if Seachem were the only product on your shelf, but the reality of retailing is you have LOTS of products and they ALL have to sell soon or later in order for you to stay in business...
-12 Volt Man
if you push seachem's root tabs for example, as your main tablet fertilizer, and tell customers to follow the directions..they replace the tabs once every 3 months...
3 months is a long time.
so, now you have lots of plant people that don't have to buy fertilizer from your store for a long time...
and your sales of plant fertilizers stagnate..
its just a weird scenario, both from the retail perspective and the company perspective.
I alway found that I was being torn from both directions:
on one hand you WANT to sell the product because it is great, but on the other hand you have competing product that works just as well but will not last as long and will require the customer to come in and buy more in far less than 3 months..
well, its a weird situation to say the least..
it would be great if Seachem were the only product on your shelf, but the reality of retailing is you have LOTS of products and they ALL have to sell soon or later in order for you to stay in business...
-12 Volt Man
Oh, don't get me wrong. Seachem was easy to sell because they make excellent products.
and customers want to buy concentrated stuff.
what I was getting at was from Seachems perspective, it is better for them to have people buying their products on a more frequent basis than very infrequently.
I mean, if I bought the 2 litre bottle of Prime, and given that I change about 125 gallons per week, that means that theoretically it would last.. (50,000 gallons/125 gallons per week) = 400 weeks or about 7.5 years!
7.5 years for one 70 dollar purchase!
now, of course thats in a perfect world, of meticulously measuring out every drop..but still.
you get what I am getting at.
from a business perspective, it doesn't really make sense..
I definitely get what you mean and agree... there're also plenty of people (like me) that comfortably overdose and don't measure though. lol
i also use Aqua+
works great and is very easy to use. ive got a 16 fl oz. bottle (its like $12 by me) that ive been using since march i believe (but then again im only doing water changes on a 20 gallon, but still thats a long duration)
Biocoat worked pretty well too, but marineland stopped making it for some reason, along with their line of foods
works great and is very easy to use. ive got a 16 fl oz. bottle (its like $12 by me) that ive been using since march i believe (but then again im only doing water changes on a 20 gallon, but still thats a long duration)
Biocoat worked pretty well too, but marineland stopped making it for some reason, along with their line of foods
Hmmm. Or we can read the instuctions on the back too.
Thats what i was thinking, but you said it..........:grinyes:
I dont know if you guys are trying to make fun of my post or something but apparently you guys dont realize how many people dont read the directions. Even if they do read the directions many are confused, as in overdosing for an ammonia problem for example. They come here for advice and someone says oh you can dose up to 5 times more so that would be X number of capfulls... when in fact they are dosing 10X due to the fact they got one of the larger bottles. Furthermore even on Seachems website the instruction dont reflect thier larger bottles. Granted, exact dosing isnt critical but on an open forum where hundreds or thousands of folks may read you need to be a bit careful when dispensing directions that dont apply to all cases. I dont recall exactly but I beleive the bottles under 1L have 5ml caps while the large ones have 10ml caps, I've only ever bought the 2L size so I'm not 100% sure.
Well i think it's pretty sad if someone is going to add chemicals to there tank and not read the directions first, would they do the same with medication, i hope not, if they don't want to take the time and read them, then they should give it up and get an ant farm, IMO,,The Prime directions state by cap full. 5ml.250ml bottle.1 Cap full treats 50 gallons....:wall:
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