Problems within 24 hours of introducing fish

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Had a tank when I was a kid and decided to get back in to the hobby after a 15 year break. So I set up my new 35g tank at the weekend. Went to pet store to buy some rocks and plants and while there I asked how long I should leave the tank before adding fish. The answer was: "if you use Tetra Safestart you don't need to wait at all". Ok so I thought things have moved on since I last did this. So I used safestart on Sunday and went back yesterday and bought 4 Danios and 4 lemon tetras having told the pet shop employee it was a new tank. When I got home today 3 of the tetras had varying degrees of white spotting. The tetras still look quite healthy, are active and ate aggressively when I fed them for the first time tonight.

Any advice on how I should treat them ? I read that medicine can kill the important bacteria in the yank and further stress the fish.
 
It sounds like possible Itch... Sorry you got some bad advice from the LFS :(

I would recommend an immediate PWC

Here is a write up on the disease: (You can find more info here - http://www.tropicalfishcentre.co.uk/Diseases1.htm)
Ich (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis) Symptoms: Salt-like specks on the body/fins. Excessive slime. Problems breathing (ich invades the gills), clamped fins, loss of appetite.

Ich, Ick, white spot disease, whatever the name, this is the most common malady experienced in the home aquarium. Luckily, this disease is also easily cured if caught in time! Ich is actually a protozoa called Ichthyophthirius multifiliis. There are three phases to the life cycle of this protozoa. Normally, to the amateur aquarist, the life cycle is of no importance. However, since Ich is susceptible to treatment at only one stage of the life cycle, an awareness of the life cycle is important.
Adult phase - it is embedded in the skin or gills of the fish, causing irritation (with the fish showing signs of irritation) and the appearance of small white nodules. As the parasite grows it feeds on red blood cells and skin cells. After a few days it bores itself out of the fish and falls to the bottom of the aquarium.
Cyst phase - after falling to the bottom, the adult parasite forms into a cyst with rapid cell divisions occurring.
Free swimming phase - after the cyst phase, about 1000 free swimming young swim upwards looking for a host. If a host is not found within 2 to 3 days, the parasite dies. Once a host is found the whole cycle begins anew.
These three phases take about 4 weeks at 70º F but only 5 days at 80º F. For this reason it is recommended that the aquarium water be raised to about 80º for the duration of the treatment. If the fish can stand it, raise the temperature even higher up to 85º.
The free swimming phase is the best time to treat with chemicals. Raising the aquarium temperature to 80º F will greatly shorten the time for the free swimming phase to occur. The drug of choice is quinine hydrochloride at 30 mg per liter (1 in 30,000). Quinine sulphate can be used if the hydrochloride is not available. The water may cloud but this will disappear. By reducing the time (with raised temperature) of the phases, you should be able to attack the free swimming phase effectively.
Some aquarists like to use malachite green, but it tends to stain the plastic and silicone in the aquarium. Most commercial remedies contain malachite green and/or copper, which are both effective.

A word of warning with using medication: Obviously people want to save their fish, so they go and buy a product, and sometimes these can be quite effective. But a word of warning - some meds can be very detrimental in the long term. Treatments whitch use Malachite Green and Methylene Blue can be useful treatments for parasites and Fungus, unfortunately they can destroy our beneficial bacteria, and then you can get a Ammoni/Nitrite peak for some time. Also some meds demand it that they remove Carbon/Zeolite for the duration of the treatment - this can effectively start up a mini-cycle as the Carbon/Zeolite have lost their bacteria.
Salt bath: So a salt bath is a good way of treating the fish without damaging the bacteria we need. It is a good antiseptic and fungicide. If you are using high doses, its best to try to gradually raise the concentration, so the fish don't become stressed. Sometimes it can be effective to use a short salt bath, with higher salt concentration (such as fungal infection - 10G/Litre for 30 min).
 
at least some of the most horrible LFS around me have the decency not to sell fish that have (visable signs) of ich to customers... you are probably going to need to treat the whole tank now, and you might as well since your cycle hasnt started. the TetraSafestart is one of those bacterial additives that dont work for most people. BioSpira is the most reliable one.

do you have a test kit? during your cycle you are going to need to test your water every day and change 50% of the water if the ammoina and/or nitrite are up to 0.5
 
They didn't have visible signs of ich yesterday when I got them. I'm pretty sure of that because I spent a while observing them. When I got home today it's quite obvious on one of the tetras, a couple of spots on 2 others and the other is clear.

I have started to raise the temp in the tank (going to go for about 82F for 10 days) and have started gradually adding salt (1/4 tsp per gallon to start). Decided on this approach because some posts say that the chemical option is bad for tetras.

Going to get a test kit tomorrow and do water changes if necessary (salinate the new water ?)

Anyone agree/disagree with this approach ?
 
Thanks for the advice.

Here's an update on the Ich problem:

Have now got the temp up to 82 and salt up to 1 tsp per gallon over last 24 hours. Fish seem happy.

Bought the AP complete test kit today. Ammonia tested as zero or close to zero as I wasn't 100% sure which colour band exactly matched the result. Nitrites are definitey zero. So I didn't do water change. Have had 8 fish in tank for 48 hrs when tested. Water was slightly cloudy after I added the Safestart on Sunday but seems to be almost fully clear today. Does the low ammonia result mean the Safestart product is working well ?

Intend on adding 50% more salt over next 24 hrs and testing every 2 days.
 
Ahhhh I didn't test for Nitrates as I assumed if I had no ammonia or nitrites I wouldn't have nitrates yet but I can see the logic in your question now as if everything was working correctly I should have some nitrate. Right ?
 
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