Question on my numbers

update on my progress:

The new tank is really beginning to irritate me. I don't think it's cycling. It's been 2 and a half weeks and I would think by now my ammonia levels should have spiked and went to zero. Not the case.

Ammonia is about 2.0-3.0
Nitrites .5
Nitrates somewhere between 0 and 5

I added plants a few days ago to try and help with the ammonia and nitrites but to be honest the numbers have not changed since adding them. These numbers have been the same since last Wednesday. I've done 50% water changes but nothing seems to be doing anything. Any suggestions are welcome.

Is it ever too late to add BioSpira? If not does anyone know a place I can order it online? I have no LFS around here.
 
tank3544 said:
the 10 gallon tank isn't exactly in good shape .. frankly from the numbers i'm not sure how the fish are alive .. it was our first tank and we had zero idea what we were doing .. in fact nobody at the pet store told me i had to cycle the tank .. i only found out after researching what to do for a larger tank .. therefore it was never cycled and no matter what we do now we can't get the numbers down

we have a pleco that is constantly pooping and in a small 10 gallon tank i think he's most of the problem .. i try to clean it once a week with a gravel vac and the bottom is always just covered in his poop .. do you think he could have been the problem in the 10 gallon? if so he sure isn't moving to the new one .. we'll just get some cory cats instead if he's not needed

in the old 10 gallon tank these are the numbers
ammonia - can't read it but i think its around .5
nitrates - about 100
nitrites - about 5
total hardness - 120
total alkalinity - 80
PH - 6.8

in the new 20 gallon tank these are the numbers of of right now
ammonia - .25 - its been the same number for a week now .. the pet store said it was alarmingly high and i should do a water change .. i told her other than zero that was the lowest number on the chart and that she was crazy
nitrates - looks to be about zero .. if anything maybe slightly above zero .. nowhere near the color of the 20ppm
nitrites - again looks about zero .. if anything slightly above zero .. much closer to zero color than color for .5
total hardness - 0
total alkalinity - 0
ph - 6.4
- i'm just about to add some salt to bring that up a little


This kind of response from the fish tells me, and don't laugh, because it is going to sound so obvious that it will make me sound stupid... it tells me your fish think there is something VERY wrong with your water.

So without going into a lot of technical mumbo jumbo, half of which I barely understand myself, two things bug me- so this is where I would start.

First, the old tank water "quality" (or lack of) vs. new tank water "quality".

Which leads me to something even more worrysome- the water itself, in the new tank. You say you used bottled from the store?
Why? What are the numbers on your tap water?

Based on some of the things you have told us about hardness, alkalinity, pH... I am going to bet dollars to doughnuts that water was not natural spring water (not that that would be great necessarily either)- but RO (reverse osmosis) water. I personally would remove HALF of the water and replace it with 5 gallons of tap and 5 gallons out of your 10 gallon tank.

Then see what happens...

Again, without going into electrolytes and a bunch of other mind benders, I think your 20 is too "pure" for your fish- in two ways- but both relate to chemistry and how your fish are reacting. You are taking them from very bad water to good water; but even that good water may have some shortcomings for fish if it is in fact ALL RO water.


Definitely test your tap water to get a benchmark of what the original readings are on that though. You need to know what you are starting with.
 
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tank3544 said:
also i'm not using tap water ... i'm buying water from a store in gallon jugs

My mind just keeps coming back to this... I would suggest NOT doing that anymore...

If your tank is truly 100% RO water, this could be the problem.
 
i would have just moved everything over, including the old filter from the 10 gallon. run two filters for a while, the old one, and a new one rated for a 20-30 gallon. don't up the bioload for a while, monitor the levels. running both filters at the same time gives the bacteria a chance to establish in the new filter, while still providing biological filtration form the old filter
 
TetraBotia said:
My mind just keeps coming back to this... I would suggest NOT doing that anymore...

If your tank is truly 100% RO water, this could be the problem.
He's right. Stop using the bottled store water. Can you post the brand name and all the details from the label so we can see what you've been putting in the tank?

Test your tap water and post the results here please.

Thanks
Roan
 
RockabillyChick said:
i would have just moved everything over, including the old filter from the 10 gallon. run two filters for a while, the old one, and a new one rated for a 20-30 gallon. don't up the bioload for a while, monitor the levels. running both filters at the same time gives the bacteria a chance to establish in the new filter, while still providing biological filtration form the old filter
The old one isn't cycled so moving the filter over isn't going to help.

Roan
 
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