Questions about Tiger Endler Hybrids

BrandyCat

BrandyCat

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Hello AC. I have a few questions reguarding Tiger Endlers or Yellow Jackets Endlers.

1. Is a Tiger Endler and Yellow Jacket the same hybrid?
2. Do Tiger Endlers eat their own fry in you experience?
3. Where did this strain come from? I've heard AdrainHD @ Swampriveraquatics bred them but then I've also heard a LFS in California bred them on accident.

If the tiger endlers where black bar endler x micariff guppy, is there another combination that might produce a similar fish? I don't understand how they got snake type markings from a micariff.

I understand that this is a hybrid but they are easily my favorite fish in the room next to my bolivian rams. They are colorful, prolific and extremely hardy... They also seem to interact much more than guppies. The wild line vigor really makes this strain interesting to observe IMHO.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 
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1. not sure, but probably.

2. Mine don't seem to, but I've not had them very long. They are breeding just fine though in a moss filled tank.

3. Not sure where the mix comes from, I'm sure mixing a metalhead thai with a black bar would produce a pretty interesting fish though.

Hyrbidization is really frowned upon in general but it seems like when it comes to livebearers they get a free pass lol.
 
Yes hybrids are frowned upon. I can understand that with endlers as wild populations are dwindling and some strains are about to die out in their natural habitats. I do not have a line of pure black bars yet as I'm waiting for it to warm up but I will be purchasing from SRA (AdrainHD). I keep my tiger endlers far away from any guppies. There is a lot of debate over guppy and endlers being the same species and to be honest, if you want to technical about it they are. We have overbred guppies too far from their wild ancestors and due to human tampering, we have made a completely different fish. Here is another good question: Is there a word in the english language that means "an animal bred by humans for so long it's no longer the same animal"? Because that should be looked down on more than throwing good hardy wild lines back into the fish. This could be the reason why this particular livebearer get's a free pass.
 
To answer your question, there is no reason that both Adrian and the CA shop couldn't have come up with it, one on accident and the other possibly on purpose.

On the subject of hybrids, specifically endlers, I think there is some grey area. If you're breeding, you are usually going to wind up with more male endlers than you need. I have nothing against tossing a couple of extra male endlers into a guppy tank to see what happens. I would never put a guppy into my endler tank though. I would also never put a female endler in with guppies, because it would contaminate the pure stock. But if it's just extra males (too many males in a tank will stress/bother the females to death) that you would need to get rid of anyway, what's the harm? You're not reducing the endler species at all and you may just improve the guppies.
 
BrandyCat said:
Yes hybrids are frowned upon. I can understand that with endlers as wild populations are dwindling and some strains are about to die out in their natural habitats. I do not have a line of pure black bars yet as I'm waiting for it to warm up but I will be purchasing from SRA (AdrainHD). I keep my tiger endlers far away from any guppies. There is a lot of debate over guppy and endlers being the same species and to be honest, if you want to technical about it they are. We have overbred guppies too far from their wild ancestors and due to human tampering, we have made a completely different fish. Here is another good question: Is there a word in the english language that means "an animal bred by humans for so long it's no longer the same animal"? Because that should be looked down on more than throwing good hardy wild lines back into the fish. This could be the reason why this particular livebearer get's a free pass.
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The word is "domesticated"
 
I harbor the same philosophy Astarell. Lol @ SubRosa point taken. I think the word I was looking for was "speciation".
Also upon further review, micariff is thought to carry snakeskin gene so that answers that.

 
Lot of folks have bred tiger type endlers.
If you keep more than one strain of endlers you end up wondering what you can do with them. And then you try it. They're a bit like zucchini. You always have too many to give away, or none.
 
I have a cichlid tank going :D... I'm also trying to get ahold of a nice hex tank for some angels. Guppy and endler fry will make an excellent source of live. As far as an over abundance of males... I would love that. it would be perfect for my display tank but alas only a few have survived the culling.

I would just take some of them and trade with my LFS (which would gladly buy/trade for any of my fish) but I don't want to do that for some reason.
My fish will always live in my fish room for my viewing pleasure unless I decide to sell a few straight tiger trios. I'm not sure if I can give up the dream of having a pure black bar endler/ cardinal tetra tank... with a herd of corys of course. Sounds like a really fun 40+ gallon idea eh?

Has anyone heard that tiger endlers do not eat their fry? I recently read some that they did not.
 
I've yet to separate my fry from the adults in my tiger tank. I don't really watch the tanks that much though but a quick general headcount seems like they are all still there, so until they start disappearing I'm not going to segregate them.
 
I had a younger female drop 2 nice big healthy fry yesterday (it's her first drop)
and I've let them sit for about 24 hours. I have a lot of floating horn wart. The 2 fry have been hanging out in the plants by the filter and heater. I've seen them get chased but that's it. I went ahead and got a little net breeder out and hearded the little guys in there for feeding purposes. My other two females are about to drop so we'll see how that goes.

Thanks for the insight everyone :D
Excellent forum!
 
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