[OrionGirl] 1:31 am: Are you calling wiley an arse, or is that related to the need for chapstick?
[dougall] 1:40 am: I don't think it's a comparable experience.
[dougall] 1:40 am: there's something to be said for the sound, the smell, the atmosphere.
[dougall] 1:41 am: but you don't get to see much of the action, unless you're really lucky