Rights for Large Schooling Fish

Roan Art

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Why is it that people are told to/pushed into putting fish like neons, barbs, and other small-medium sized schooling fish in proper schools, and yet bigger schooling fish like rainbows, silver dollars, tinfoil barbs etc., are ignored for the most part?

If someone wants to put 2 neon tetras in with 2 glowlites, they are told that the fish need to be with their own specie and they should have at least 3 of each, six is far better. However, if someone wants to stick 2 Boesmani with 2 Irian Reds, they are told that that's fine, but they need to have six in total? Rainbows need to be with their own specie too. Same with silver dollars, you really need to have six of one specie.

I've never heard anyone here, including myself, tell someone they need to have six tinfoil barbs, and you really should. People say, "Scats need to be in a school, so you have to have at least three." Why not six like the small schooling fish?

So, why is this done?
Is it because they won't do it anyway?
Because people usually have a tank that is *way* too small for schools of the bigger fish?
Is it because the little fish appear to be more fragile and in need of schooling support?
Are bigger schooling fish being penalized for, well, being big?

I've decided, for myself, that not recommending full schools for bigger fish is not fair to the fish, and IME, especially rainbowfish. They need to be in schools with their *own* specie and not mixed with others to make a school. So, I'm not doing it anymore. Not going to say, "yah, you can mix Boes with Goyder River and make a school". Nope, no more.

As to why I *was* doing it. I honestly don't know, I think I was trying to avoid an argument with people who would say "so and so kept blah blah and it was fine".

Not trying start a war, just curious.

What do you think?

Roan
 
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Sounds good to me.

I personally think that 6 is too small for a school of anything, maybe it is a good reccommended minimum, but more is better. Sure 6 fish will cluster together sometimes, but 10 or more make a much tighter cohesive school .

I recently upped my silver hatchetfish school from 6 to 10 and the schooling behavior is much more interesting. Same goes for my neons which from 3 (had six originally) to 10.
 
You haven't asked me...Or perhaps not noticed that I almost always suggest species tanks - or perhaps because in part because I rarely do "stocking" posts any more as I am considered lunatic fringe in that area. IMHO & IME, if you want to see a fish reflect in capitivity what it is in the wild, you treat it accordingly. That is never, ever a Noah's Ark tank, regardless of its size, IMHO.
 
I agree 100% with RTR. The more I think about it, it seems logical to me that if you take any "section" of water, you will have a certain species in it. To try and force a community in an aquarium setting seems un-natural. I did have a few bud lights though....
 
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RTR said:
You haven't asked me...Or perhaps not noticed that I almost always suggest species tanks - or perhaps because in part because I rarely do "stocking" posts any more as I am considered lunatic fringe in that area. IMHO & IME, if you want to see a fish reflect in capitivity what it is in the wild, you treat it accordingly. That is never, ever a Noah's Ark tank, regardless of its size, IMHO.
I pick #2! I don't recall reading any stocking posts from you that may have sounded "lunatic fringe", but I haven't been here that long. Time to delve into the oldies :)

Good point about behaviour. I've noticed changes in my Boesemani since I upped the school to 13 and put them in their own tank. It's hard to put a finger on exactly what it is, but they seem more "settled". Physically, their colors are brighter, they exhibit more spawning behaviour, and there's more "friendly" sparring between males.

I really want to say they seem "happier", but that's a human quality.

Roan
 
Drekkyk said:
I agree 100% with RTR. The more I think about it, it seems logical to me that if you take any "section" of water, you will have a certain species in it. To try and force a community in an aquarium setting seems un-natural. I did have a few bud lights though....
Then you need to have a few more bud lights, cause that makes a lot of sense to me ;)

Better yet, have a Molson's Light, it has real alcohol in it :joke:

Roan
 
YuccaPatrol said:
Sounds good to me.

I personally think that 6 is too small for a school of anything, maybe it is a good reccommended minimum, but more is better. Sure 6 fish will cluster together sometimes, but 10 or more make a much tighter cohesive school .

I recently upped my silver hatchetfish school from 6 to 10 and the schooling behavior is much more interesting. Same goes for my neons which from 3 (had six originally) to 10.
I noticed that with the rummy nose and rasboras, too.

Roan
 
Roan Art said:
Better yet, have a Molson's Light, it has real alcohol in it :joke:

Roan
I'll have a Molson Golden, thank you.

I agree. I've already decided to stick with one type of rainbow for my new tank. Just not sure which! Incisus, parva, praecox, threadfin, furcata, mccullochi, h.axelrodi,......AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!! Too many choices!!

Oooh, ahh, oh, ee, ooooooo. Ahhhh, Icehouse!(glug, glug)

I'm better now.
 
One of the earlier articles that I did was in praise of species tanks, some years ago. During that period I did participate in stocking threads, but very rarely do so anymore. Sometimes I cannot resist, but I do try.

I have one "community tank", formerly my "office" tank (originally it was species - Dwarf Neon Rainbows, but there were just too many negative comments, shifted to Glowlight Tetras, glass cats, a trio of Cherry Barbs, and Amano shrimp). When I moved it home, my wife and niece loved it and I was threatened if I shifted it. The Tetras have finally faded (~8 years, one left) and the Glass Cat school enlarged and has been joined by Debauwi cats - better to my eyes. the lights are staggered, so the Glass cats are diurnal, the Debauwis crepucular/nocturnal (twilight/single tube and moonlight) so everybody is still content.

All my other tanks are basically species, even if some are a singleton or single school with work crews.
 
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