jpappy i understand your pain my friend but as of to date the brichardi's have a lock down in the 120gal i have two sets in a colony of 6 guarding fry right now but their defense range is very short in this setup which is the back middle of this 120gal everything else go's around or over them and are fine they definitely go after the helianthus they dont tolerate this dude what so ever and your right they do look alike except the heli is golden yellow in color which he is the target most of the time, unfortunately i have these fish together right now except the cylindricus which i did get some tonight but are at a whopping 1 1/2 inch in size so i have them in a seperate setup right now til they can fit into their murderous shoes and then be placed in the 120gal, right now i have 6 - 1 inch J. ornatus in a 20gal with baby albino bristelnose and i have 3 J. transcript's in the 55gal with the shellie community that are almost full size so i was thinking of adding the lone member of the transcript's to the 120gal leave the mated pair in the shellie 55gal and well the J. ornatus will be some time before they reach an attainable size to go into any tank, i will get rid of the colony of assuie rainbows and do a cyp colony as well for top water action and i will be stocked to the gills, i dont know if the trets are a pair they are still small i just recieved them a week ago at 2 inches wow i was sad when i took my fronts out today i have had them since babies and are at 3 yrs old, sniff sniff, oh well i got a new marineland canister for them hehehe, when they reach a more photo size i will snap a few and post take care my friends..