Sodium thisulfate

In reality Gregg it does break down Chloramine, the problem is that it breaks the bond between the chlorine and ammonia, and removes the chlorine but does nothing for the ammonia that remains. So technically it neutralizes chloramine, but literrally it is not a complete water treatment for chloramines. The folks who label most dechlorinators, just claim it gets rid of chlorine and chloramines and don't otherwise care about the ammonia. Products like Prime and Amquel II actually bind the ammonia into ammonium which makes the water safe for fish. It another one of those mis0leading advertisement things. As long as the chloramines are gone after the product is added, the manufacturer can claim the product works.
Dave
 
Harlock said:
How does the bacteria thrive in the interim period between using the ammonia in the water during the first 24 hours until addition to the tank?
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My aging tanks have convinced me that nitrifying bacteria are a lot more resilient than we give them credit for. My tanks have gone more than 2 weeks without addition of ammonia and the nitrifiers still are able to process the 1 ppm of ammonia in less than 24 hours when I get around to changing water. I really don't do anything to the aging tanks to maintain the modest bacterial colonies, other than exchanging water when I do partial water changes.

Jim
 
JSchmidt said:
My aging tanks have convinced me that nitrifying bacteria are a lot more resilient than we give them credit for. My tanks have gone more than 2 weeks without addition of ammonia and the nitrifiers still are able to process the 1 ppm of ammonia in less than 24 hours when I get around to changing water. I really don't do anything to the aging tanks to maintain the modest bacterial colonies, other than exchanging water when I do partial water changes.

Jim
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Thanks, Jim! This is definitely an option down the line. There is a large pantry off the side of the dining room where I will be setting up the 125 gallon in a couple of years, so I can probably get a container in there.
 
daveedka said:
In reality Gregg it does break down Chloramine, the problem is that it breaks the bond between the chlorine and ammonia, and removes the chlorine but does nothing for the ammonia that remains. So technically it neutralizes chloramine, but literrally it is not a complete water treatment for chloramines. The folks who label most dechlorinators, just claim it gets rid of chlorine and chloramines and don't otherwise care about the ammonia. Products like Prime and Amquel II actually bind the ammonia into ammonium which makes the water safe for fish. It another one of those mis0leading advertisement things. As long as the chloramines are gone after the product is added, the manufacturer can claim the product works.
Dave
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<grin> ... thank you for that answer ... I knew I was under the impression that it didnt' work, but just didn't know the "why" <grin> ...

Obviously ... you can tell I'm not one of the people who "claim the product works" <grin> ...

I've asked our local municpal water company when they would be switching to chloramine ... they couldn't tell me "when" ... only that it would be occurring someday ... its my understanding that there are federal guidelines that essentially are a mandate for most municipal water utilities to eventually make the switch to chloramines ...

So I think this "concept" is important for people to know ...

Thanks ...

Greg
 
Greg - you are exactly on target for federal guidelines, but the timeline is nebulous at best. Larger cities are targeted first, smaller system other than "problem" ones are not scheduled. Systems in sufficiently bad shape get moved up the list (the one I am on one for example - a small community system, now with chloramine equipment in place and operative, but only used on an as-needed basis).

Off-topic a tad, but you do a great service for the planted tank folk, and even though I am one o the terribly lazy ones who do not use DIY, I do appreciate what you are doing to make the hobby easier. :bowing:
 
RTR said:
Greg - you are exactly on target for federal guidelines, but the timeline is nebulous at best. :
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Thanks for the confirmation of my fuzzy thought <grin> ...

RTR said:
Off-topic a tad, but you do a great service for the planted tank folk, and even though I am one o the terribly lazy ones who do not use DIY, I do appreciate what you are doing to make the hobby easier. :bowing:
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I try ... this is my way of "giving back" to the hobby ... there are a lot of other "enthusiasts" who do a fantastic job of contributing to the knowledgebase out here (like yourself) ... for many, it takes courage to post ...

And actually ... I wouldn't consider yourself one of the terribly lazy ones <grin> ... because I often recommend the Seachem Flourish line of products ...

I think the Flourish line is fantastic for small aquariums ... and I think it does a wonderful job for "today's" low tech aquariums ...

Today, we seem to consider High light, high CO2 tanks "normal" ... these tanks super-charge plant growth creating a very volatile nutrient environment ...

It's almost as if --- if you can't see your plants grow overnight, people think they are not doing something right ...

I love books ... I have lots of old books, like The FamilyAquarium published in 1856(?) which has almost 1/3rd of the book dedicated to aquarium plants ... back in those days, plants were considered essential parts of the cycle of life in an aquarium ... but we never talked about algae algae algae back then ...

Of course <grin> ... its now time for me to shut up because I am now rambling <grin> ...

Thanks for helping broaden my knowledgebase ...

Greg
 
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