South American centerpiece fish for a 20L?

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Ulan

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When I look at my oldest planted 20L, I notice that the largest critters in there are the two female amano shrimps. While this is impressive enough, the tank is somewhat lacking in action. The main "attraction" at the moment are the glowlight tetras. They look nice, but their favorite pastime is to hang out below their usual plant and meditate about the meaning of life - or whatever it is that they do all day long. They have their five minutes of frenzy per day during feeding time, but that's about it. And, completely gentleman-like, they would never rise more than 5 inches from the sag carpet even then.

I'd like to have some centerpiece fish, but - and that's the difficult part - it should be from South America (dwarf gourami is out), as I'm planning something like a biotope tank (yes, I know, amanos are not from SA, but they are the oldest inhabitants in there). I already had a bristlenose pleco and loved it, although it was a nasty beast and prolific cory killer. Unfortunately, she went on an expedition across the living room and forgot her scuba gear. She got replaced by a rubbernose pleco, who has the same temperament but, with his 1½", just earns sneers from his neighbors. Next were a group of 6 serpae tetras, who spent their days finding out who is the most badass among them. But they just died, and the only ones I see in the stores nowadays are those with fins that look as if they got stuck in a mangle. So they are out, too.

I'm a bit at a loss. The glowlights, 2 otos, 3 cories and the bulldog pleco should stay in. What's a nice SA centerpiece fish that doesn't eat glowlights?
 

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GBRs or dicrossus filamentosus should work out just fine. Apistogramma borellii should probably be ok too, as they are relatively tame as far as dwarf cichlids go. Since the amano shrimp are on the big side, I think they should be fine.
 

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So a dwarf cichlid it is then? I like the suggestions, but most of them are very hard to keep if the water is not soft and acidic. And that's unfortunately not what comes out the wall here.

Are there any SA dwarf cichlids that can stand harder and basic water?
 

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So a dwarf cichlid it is then? I like the suggestions, but most of them are very hard to keep if the water is not soft and acidic. And that's unfortunately not what comes out the wall here.

Are there any SA dwarf cichlids that can stand harder and basic water?
As long as you properly acclimate them they will be fine. Most SA cichlids can tolerate a wide range of Hardness.
 

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Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid (triple red, my fav) is suppose to be one of the "hardier" Apistogrammas. But i really do not know what that means, I just love the look of them!
 

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Let's see... 20L...that's about 5 gallons... planted... about 8 fish and 2 shrimps already in there... I would suggest no more fish for this tank.
Pretty sure he is talking about a 20g long tank.
 

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20 liters or 20 Long? 20L signifies both, but assuming Ulan is from the US, it would be 20 long and not 20 liters. The cacatuoides will make QUICK work of the amano shrimp, as will most apistos actually, but the borellis are very laid back as far as apistos go, and the dicrossus will probably be around the same size as the amanos when you find them. Of the three suggestions, the gbrs are probably the hardest to keep (considering the dismal survival record of mass produced stock) and the borelliis are probably the easiest. I have to say though, that none of them will fit in a 5 gallon comfortably if you do indeed have a 20 liter and not a 20 long.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions so far. I'm talking about a 20 gallon long. In a 5 gallon, the glowlight would be the centerpiece fish, and I wouldn't wonder why he doesn't move much ;).
The cacatuoides will make QUICK work of the amano shrimp, as will most apistos actually, but the borellis are very laid back as far as apistos go, and the dicrossus will probably be around the same size as the amanos when you find them. Of the three suggestions, the gbrs are probably the hardest to keep (considering the dismal survival record of mass produced stock) and the borelliis are probably the easiest.
Talk about dismal survival record of GBR. I had bad experiences with them and I'll better leave my fingers off these.

An A. cacatuoides would have the advantage of being locally available; at least they were about a year ago. Of the others, a borelli might be a possibility, but I have never seen a dicrossus here. Getting the amanos out of that tank might be another option. I bought 5 a few years ago, and they might all be still alive (they are hard to count, but there are at least 2 females and 2 males). Option 3 would be remodeling one of the other 20L tanks and move the fish there. I think I'll have to do something like that, because those dwarf cichlids need caves, right?

I really hope those cichlids are not too sensitive. I'm okay with frequent water changes, but I won't start with RO. Other than that, it sounds exciting :).
 
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