starter tank kits

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Who makes the "best" starter tank kit? I've got 3 chains in the area (petco, petsmart, petsupermart - not much inthe way of LFS that sell tank kits) and they each have 2 variations on a 10 gal. starter kit. The prices are all similar - there is a cheaper ($35 or so) setup and a more expensive one ($50 or so). Only difference is the cheaper kit from each place does not have a heater or a thermometer. So I'm guessing the real difference between the 3 stores is the filter and light setup.

Any advice? I'm planning on keeping a few tetras and a cory or 3 in it to get back into the swing of having an aquarium before I get a (much) larger tank to keep some natives in.

Thanks
 
I have a 10 gal kit from Wally World, the same one as sold by petsmart. If I had to do it again, I would have gotten a better one with a florescent light instead of the incadecent light. If I had to guess all the kits probably have the same filter which are actually quite good for the setup.
 
If I were you I would get a tank bigger then 10 gallons. Also I would try to get one with a fluorescent tube instead of an incadescent. Have you tried pricing it out to see how much it would cost to buy a tank setup that wasn't a kit? I had a kit, well 2 kits, and I've been slowly replacing the stuff that originally came with it for better stuff. If I had just gotten the better stuff in the beginning it would've been cheaper for me. Good luck
 
starter kits and quality

While you may be getting what looks like a good price overall, the individual items tend to be a bit less quality unless you are very careful. In all, you will do much better to buy the glass locally and get equipment online where the selection is better and pricing is better. Sometimes you can take a quote from Petsmart online to the local store and have them honor it, I've never tried that.

Things to look for; on the hood -- screw in lights are not good for fish in general, too much heat, so go for the flourescent tubes. On the hood itself, the least quality has a cut-away plastic which is hard to seal up if you cut it wrong. The better quailty has a vinyl flap that you can cut as needed and replace if necessary. The best quality is the glass top with a light fixture on top of that. If you ever go to a planted tank that light fixture will need upgrading for more light.

As for heaters -- all have problems, but the hang on types are the least flexible, the submersibles are more flexible. Look for one that the temp seleciton knob is not too loose -- I had a fish dart past the heater, turn the knob and cook itself.

Filters -- in the kit you will typically find a cheaper version of a Whisper. Maybe some other knock-off of a well respected brand. This is where you may really need to upgrade, the filter is often the first thing replaced from kits. Save yourself the money and just buy a decent filter right off the bat.

Check out the major online sources. I like DrFosterSmith.com and BigAlsOnline.com and PetSolutions.com, but there are others too. You may also find a more local online presence, one in Austin, one in PA that I know of.

Were I to start a new tank, and not buy the tank used as I so often do, I'd get the glass tank and glass top with a light strip from the best priced local store, with a cabinet or stand perhaps depending on size. I'd get gravel there, and fish there later after the tank was all set up. I'd get the equipment and such online, all from one site, so that'd be the heater (I'd get Visitherm or Ebo Jager), the filter (I'd get an AquaClear or Penguin or Eheim or Filstar depending on budget and tank plans), I'd add Prime water conditioner, fish food for 6 months only, nets, thermometer, filter cleaning brushes, filter pads or media or cartridges as needed, algae scraper of some sort. Add a Python gravel cleaner/ change and fill kit maybe, but I might get a super cheap gravel cleaner online and make a drain and fill kit myself from hardware store parts. I'd get a huge bucket from the hardware store and mark it "FISH ONLY" to store my stuff and as a Q tank in a pinch, and a tiny straight razor thing to clean glass.

I'd get pickleing salt from the grocery store -- very useful for several fish problems, and a tiny bottle of vinegar to clean the glass top.
You may want to get ammonia, the cheapest clear ammonia, to do a fishless cycle, or try to find BioSpira at the local fish store to cycle the tank, or use some hardy zebra danios from the fish store.
 
A note - Walmart sells two versions of the 10g kit. One is the regular and the other is the "deluxe". The deluxe does come with flourescent, not incandescent, lighting. I have four of these and would buy another. Comes with a good filter (HOB). I still use these filters on all four and have never had a problem.

Looking back, for what I wanted the tanks for (planted tanks) it would have been cheaper to just buy a plain 10g tank for like $8, then buy the filter separate beacuse I upgraded my lighting to PC and got a glass top - and I never use the heaters. LOL
 
Do price out what it would cost to buy everything separately before going with a kit. And I'd suggest getting a bigger tank than a 10 gal. That size is so limiting in choice of fish, plus bigger tanks are easier to keep stable.

If you do really want to get a kit, but aren't happy with the quality of some of the items, talk to the manager about trading in for better quality. For example, I got a 10 gal kit from Petsmart which included their TopFin HOB filter (same as Tetra Whisper) and didn't like the limitations of the cartridges. The manager gave me credit for the cost of the filter towards buying a filter of my choice. I got an Aquaclear 20 and am really happy with it.

Just yesterday, I bought another kit (20 gal) from the local Big Al's. It's a kit by Marineland: All-Glass tank, flourescent hood, submersible heater, and a Penguin 125 Bio-Wheel HOB filter, net, thermometer, food & water conditioner samples, plus Big Al's included their own bag full of stuff (food, water conditioner, decorations). The price was the same as Wal-Mart, with better quality equipment, and the price was comparible to buying a 10 gal kit (with incandescent hood), plus the cost of having to buy a heater (which wasn't included in the 10 gal kit).
 
Mishi has a great suggestion on seeing if they'll accept credit on an item. Also, something to keep in mind is that kit prices seem pretty stable all around the board. The shops make money on all the extra crap we fish folk buy, like additives, filter cartidges, meds, etc. I suggest, as have others, buying a tank, and glass top (and light, if you are not going planted) and stand locally for the best price you can find, then ordering the rest. I personally use Big Al's Online almost exclusively. They have a discount program based on dollar amount spent and on Wednsaday starting at noon until noon on Thursday they offer double points on every dollar spent. Also, they have a low price guarantee, so if they are not the cheapest, they will be if you ask them about it. I've ordered from them on numerous ocassions and have always been satisfied.

Also, do take a moment to check out the oniline stores for the chains in your local area. Most of the chains will meet their own online specials, but only if you ask about it. I was able to pick up a name brand stand for a 29 gallon tank online from Petco with free shipping as part of a Christmas Eve special once for a very good price for instance. If you are on a very limited budget (as I am) it pays to research as much as you can on the internet and then use the cheapest you can.

One last piece of advice. Store managers are great. They want your business. Don't be afraid to say, "Hey, I found this deal online (or from that other store here in town), can you meet it or beat it?" You may find yourself pleasantly surprised that they are willing. Be sure and talk to the manager, not some employee, because the employee is only there for their $6.00 an hour and could care less about loyalty and building business. Manager's deal with the bottom line much more often, and if you indicate you would be loyal for add ons at a later date, managers can be very good to you. Best of luck.
 
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