Stop BSL Petitions
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Holly9937 said:
there is little differance between those breeds you named ..i own the american version ..they are labled differently specifically because of being registered ..and how they are bred ..the akc ..will not register the american pit bull but will register the american stafforshire terrier ...there are different versions but thats the easiest way to explain ...
and yes michigan already has bsl...and colorodo...all amstaffs and pits are imediatly euthinezed in your state ..they are not cnsidered adoptable....and most bsl..does not specifically outlaw the dog..just limit its ability to sellers breeders and fighters of specific breeds ..laws are pretty generic sometimes as little as owners must be 18 years of age ..owning a bs ..dog must be regisered and tagged ...fixed and on leashes at all times ..yada yada yada ..there are even cities that dont allow you to have them either forcing you to move or get rid of your pet...i love my babies ...and my kids ...they get along great ,....for more specific info you can check out American pitbull registery ..apbr.com....heres a look at my old boy posing for the camera ...and as for temperment ..as with any dog ..it is how you raise and treat them..back a frightened dog in a corner and see what happens ..or teach a dog to fight for its food ..or just simply not feed it and abuse the dog .....ant dog can be viciuos ...and any dog can be a family freindly pet ...my amstaffs are loveable babies ...killers my but ...they are loyal ..swimming ,.frisbee playing , ball catching...tail wagging , tree chewwing ..hunks of fun.... :thm:
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The majority of "online" petitions are not taken seriously due to the fact that most times they are A) form letters B) there is no proof that the person signing it did so once or 100,000 times as different names each time C) no proof the person signing is actually a member of the person it is being sent to's constituent area or at least "was in that area", D) it takes all of 2 seconds to "sign" it in most cases, and E) that the person signing is legal age to vote or is even a registered voter which means you opinion doesnt count anyway to them
Plus most online petitions are participated in by "petition addicts" who seem to sit around signing petitions for just about anything that comes to mind regardless of their feelings on it...
Same thing happens with online email based forms to send letters to congress members for a particular cause...
What does work? Someone sits down and identifies someone with power to fix the problem... they research the person and gets information about them and their previous positions on similar issues, public statements, family history, etc. They then write up a crash course in everything one should know when writing to that person. they then provide a web page detailing background on the person and list a bunch of things they think this person can be motivated with. People then sit down and write 5-10 sentences about how they know this person feels blah blah and votes for blah blah in the past and then 5-10 more sentences about why they need to support this new cause. When people line up and answer the problem with this type of response personalizing a few sentences making it appear you know all about this person and took the time to write a REAL letter it OVERLOADS the staff supporting them. When they get 10,000 identical email messages they total up "10,000 people sent a form letter" and then sit down and count the other ones that came from somewhere else and tell the congressperson "and then a bunch of other people wrote their own letters supporting this cause - 1000 people expressed support for the way you handled this other thing and compared this new issue to that... 500 people supported you on blah blah and want you to support this now... 4000 people did XYZ and want you to go with it too.
What matters more? What's going to mean more to them? The 10000 form letters or the 5500 people who wrote "personal" 10-20 sentences?
Think about the junk mail you get from the mailbox in front of your house. If it looks like a credit card offer what do you do? Probably just throw it out right away without even opening it. Just grind it in the shredder. What do you think about 10,000 form letters vs 5500 custom letters.
I'm not saying the cause is bad... just the delivery vehicle... get off your butt and write 5-10 sentences and stick a stamp on it... a mound of paper in the middle of their office REALLY sends a message. If you insist on electronic at least write your own letter even if you think you stink at writing... they dont care. Use bad spelling and bad english if you have to. Just write what you feel and how you would tell them if they were standing in front of you. Who cares if it is not gramatically correct. It just gets the message accross.
Plus most online petitions are participated in by "petition addicts" who seem to sit around signing petitions for just about anything that comes to mind regardless of their feelings on it...
Same thing happens with online email based forms to send letters to congress members for a particular cause...
What does work? Someone sits down and identifies someone with power to fix the problem... they research the person and gets information about them and their previous positions on similar issues, public statements, family history, etc. They then write up a crash course in everything one should know when writing to that person. they then provide a web page detailing background on the person and list a bunch of things they think this person can be motivated with. People then sit down and write 5-10 sentences about how they know this person feels blah blah and votes for blah blah in the past and then 5-10 more sentences about why they need to support this new cause. When people line up and answer the problem with this type of response personalizing a few sentences making it appear you know all about this person and took the time to write a REAL letter it OVERLOADS the staff supporting them. When they get 10,000 identical email messages they total up "10,000 people sent a form letter" and then sit down and count the other ones that came from somewhere else and tell the congressperson "and then a bunch of other people wrote their own letters supporting this cause - 1000 people expressed support for the way you handled this other thing and compared this new issue to that... 500 people supported you on blah blah and want you to support this now... 4000 people did XYZ and want you to go with it too.
What matters more? What's going to mean more to them? The 10000 form letters or the 5500 people who wrote "personal" 10-20 sentences?
Think about the junk mail you get from the mailbox in front of your house. If it looks like a credit card offer what do you do? Probably just throw it out right away without even opening it. Just grind it in the shredder. What do you think about 10,000 form letters vs 5500 custom letters.
I'm not saying the cause is bad... just the delivery vehicle... get off your butt and write 5-10 sentences and stick a stamp on it... a mound of paper in the middle of their office REALLY sends a message. If you insist on electronic at least write your own letter even if you think you stink at writing... they dont care. Use bad spelling and bad english if you have to. Just write what you feel and how you would tell them if they were standing in front of you. Who cares if it is not gramatically correct. It just gets the message accross.
Hey judge, is there any size difference on those few breeds? I'd love to own one someday, and I am partial to big dogs 
: . I would never get one now though. My 3 dogs don't have the best manners, and I would be afraid the new dog would pick them up and I would want a pit to be well trained, which unfortunately, my dogs have me trained at the moment
: . I would never get one now though. My 3 dogs don't have the best manners, and I would be afraid the new dog would pick them up and I would want a pit to be well trained, which unfortunately, my dogs have me trained at the moment
um there are some size differance in what people consider a pit there are the small medium and the large ..i have owned the large but currently house two mediums ..they are more speciffically the size of a boxer and often confused with them ..there are also english versions and there are also other breeds labled as a pit ..most commonly spuds mackenzie ..the english version ..and the little rascals dog i believe was a small vesion ..if i rember right .amstaffs do well with other dogs but remember that if you want to avoid ant aggresion ..you should have them fixed ..it does help..thta way it eliminates among males anyway the need for dominance imho...but since we only house amstaffs and one male and one female ...we are looking for a litter soon ..i hope ...they have a life span on average of ten years and they fall pray to common larger breed problems such as hip and joint and skin aligments ..same as everybreed they have their problems but out and out there really isint many other breeds that are as loyal and obedient ..or smart ..they get a bum rap...we are hoping that in about five more months to let them mate ..she will then be old enough ..and they both have such good temperments that everyone wants a pup...we have agread that we will not sell the pups ..only going to family and friends and we chose not to register ours although they both have the ability to be ..and we also do not crop ears or tails ...it soften their look and we love the tuxedo look that they most often carry ..tips of tail ect ,,their are also many colors of pits ..from a blue fawn to brendle to merle.some people wish merles were bred out or fixed to no longer breed seeing it as an undesirable trait but they are pretty ..i have a brindle and a blue fawn ...the fawn has green eyes ..and is she startiling to look at with them ...if i could resize pics i would post them up ...check out the web site i mentioned and youll see what i mean...and most importantly when getting a pit ..i prefer to know some of its liniage ...
definately look into the lineage if or when you buy a pit. I will only make that mistake once. My dog is turning three this month and already has hip and knee problems. Poor guy
and wasnt spud mackenzie and the target dog bull terriors?
and wasnt spud mackenzie and the target dog bull terriors?
Anybody who knows me on this site knows that I am probably the biggest Pit Bull activist around. However I am not going to get into another big debate about it on this site, as the last one went for about a month. A few members here probably remember that.
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Actually its not all I have to say.
And slip you are very very wrong my friend, these types of petitions saved me from having to euthanize 4+ dogs.
Holly the reason Retrievers are included is that they bite more people than all but about three other breeds of dog.
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Actually its not all I have to say.
And slip you are very very wrong my friend, these types of petitions saved me from having to euthanize 4+ dogs.
Holly the reason Retrievers are included is that they bite more people than all but about three other breeds of dog.
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Pit Bulls are not technically the same as a Bull Terrier of any breed, except for the TRUE Pit Bull Terrier breeds.
However breeds commonly referred to as "pit bulls" include American Pit Bull Terriers (APBT), Irish Pit Bull Terriers (IPBT), American Staffordshire Terriers (AST), Staffordshire Bull Terriers and mixes that include one of these breeds.
The only true Pit Bulls are the members of the APBT and IPBT breeds, which have a few different variants within them like the Blue nosed, and Red nosed variants of both species.
P.S. Holly the best place to learn about them is Google.com/Google.ca as there are hundreds of good sites for them. Or look for a breeders site.
I can tell you what I know but I mainly specialize in True Pit Bulls as that is what I breed.
The thing to watch out for is a site or book that starts to talk negatively about the dogs, says their risky, or aggressive, or dangerous, or for single people only, or whatever, because that shows that the person doesnt know what they are talking about.
However breeds commonly referred to as "pit bulls" include American Pit Bull Terriers (APBT), Irish Pit Bull Terriers (IPBT), American Staffordshire Terriers (AST), Staffordshire Bull Terriers and mixes that include one of these breeds.
The only true Pit Bulls are the members of the APBT and IPBT breeds, which have a few different variants within them like the Blue nosed, and Red nosed variants of both species.
P.S. Holly the best place to learn about them is Google.com/Google.ca as there are hundreds of good sites for them. Or look for a breeders site.
I can tell you what I know but I mainly specialize in True Pit Bulls as that is what I breed.
The thing to watch out for is a site or book that starts to talk negatively about the dogs, says their risky, or aggressive, or dangerous, or for single people only, or whatever, because that shows that the person doesnt know what they are talking about.
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I know of several occasions where doxies and poms have killed infants... as well as JRTs... do you think it made national headlines?
Pugs were also on the list
Also, from my understanding, Am Staffs were developed from APBT... but I can't find where I read that.
