Stores limit Salvation Army bell ringers

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Charity struggles to make up economic losses from outright ban by a large nationwide chain
Thursday, December 02, 2004

Nickel by nickel, dime by dime, the Salvation Army collected some $1.1 million last holiday season from shoppers filing into and out of New Jersey stores.

This year, those coins of good will -- which help serve hundreds of thousands of the state's needy -- are harder to come by.

More major retailers are becoming less welcoming to the Salvation Army's bell-ringing solicitors and their red metal kettles. A few years ago, Wal-Mart began limiting the number of days volunteers could set up their kettles. Some ShopRite stores are doing the same.

Big-box stores like Home Depot and Lowe's have never allowed bell ringers, nor have retailers Barnes & Noble, Toys "R" Us, Circuit City and Kohl's.

"I think they are afraid shoppers will be impeded by solicitors," said Major George Hood, the Salvation Army's national spokesman.

This year, Target has banned the bell ringers outright.

"That has a major impact on us," said Nancy Wellbrock, development director of the Salvation Army New Jersey Division. "It's a big chunk."

Target shoppers tossed some $200,000 worth of coins into the kettles last year, accounting for 17 percent of the New Jersey Salvation Army's total collection.

The Minnesota-based company has barred solicitors at its stores for years -- but always made an exception for the Salvation Army. After repeated requests from other charities for equal access, the company decided last January to make its ban complete.

"We couldn't continue to say yes to one group and say no to others," said Paula Thornton-Greear, a spokeswoman for Target, which operates a foundation that donates $2 million each week to charity.

Founded in the 19th century out of the London slums that Charles Dickens made infamous, the Salvation Army is now a global organization that provides food, clothing and disaster relief.

Much of its funding comes from its annual kettle collection.

The Christian organization collected $93.8 million last year in the United States in its red kettles between Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve. Close to $9 million came from donations in front of Target, which boasts 1,313 stores nationwide, and was the Salvation Army's second most profitable location, after WalMart.

"Any time we lose a red kettle location, we are disappointed," said Theresa Whitfield, spokeswoman for the Salvation Army's national office. But losing Target, she said, is particularly tough.

"Some smaller communities made 75 percent of their income in front of Targets," Hood said.

Target told the Salvation Army of the ban 11 months ago, Thornton-Greear said, hoping it would give the organization time to prepare.

To make up for the loss, the Salvation Army has been scrambling to find new stores and has gained permission to send bell ringers to a few retailers, such as Books A Million -- with 200 stores in 18 states -- AutoZone and Big Lots.

In New Jersey, it's been tough to find replacements, said Tricia Pellegrini, a spokeswoman.

"You have to remember the traffic is huge at Target stores," she said. "You need five or six small local stores to bring in what one Target does."

The blow comes during a particularly tough year, she said. As the economy continues to stumble, Pellegrini said, requests for food donations and help with utility bills have nearly doubled in some parts of the state compared to years past.

"Many people have lost their jobs due to downsizing," she said.

Thornton-Greear of Target said the Salvation Army is eligible to apply for grants under the corporation's giving guidelines. "To this date they have not provided a proposal that fits those guidelines," she said in a written statement.

Meanwhile, the Salvation Army is hoping to push donors accustomed to tossing coins into red kettles to donate online, Pellegrini said.

If that doesn't work, there's another plan.

"There is a point where you have to say, 'Well, we can't help as many people,'" Pellegrini said. "That certainly isn't something we want to do, but the Salvation Army relies on donations."
 
I'm as giving as the next person... if I have loose change in my pockets or a loose $1 (very often I do) I'll toss it into the kettle. But sometimes, for no real reason (pms maybe? :D ) when I pull into the parking lot of the grocery store or mall and hear that bell ringing I just get so irritated... I honestly can't explain it. It's almost like where are they the other 300 days of the year? I never get charity solicitations from the Salvation Army in the mail (as I do for many, many other organizations, to whom I almost always stick a couple of bucks into the return envelope)...

Not trying to be mean, as I said, 9 times out of 10 I toss whatever's in my pockets into the kettle with a smile and 'happy holidays' and without a second glance, but that 1 time out of 10 I was to throw that bell across the parking lot.

~Tara
 
I gave this some real thought Tara... and I have to admit, I would get irritated too.... but then I thought, I do the same thing, I usually toss whatever I have there..... they could've asked the stands to move to the side instead of right in front of the door if it was that much of an inconvenience to customers (which I don't understand).... The point is, they will probably lose a lot of their donations because of the removal. I also thought.... as irritating as they may be at some points, don't they kinda stick out as one of those things you always see at Christmas time? I guess now they will be added to the list of "Remember whens..." and "you know you're frm the 90's if you remember...."
 
I actually don't mind the salvation army ones, it's all the other ones I can do without. I don't shop at the supermarket on Saturday or Sunday mornings due to the sports groups, disabled veterans, teen groups, cancer groups, political groups et al all asking for money, parked in front of both exits. I don't like being asked every time I enter or leave if I would like to donate to such and such. If I would like to donate, I'll give you money, I can read their sign as well as anyone can.

They make it out to be you can't leave without giving them something. The salvation army generally doesn't actually ask each person if they would like to donate. It just ends up feeling more voluntary.

--Mia
 
In a way I can see the retailers' point of view. It's not really fair to allow only one charity to have the access, and it's not prudent to give all charities access. What really bothers me though is the United Way. Every year at work we're forced to sit through a presentation by the United Way. Granted, they do a lot of good work and raise a lot of money for a number of worthy charities. However, there are numerous other charities that are just as worthy, but don't receive United Way funding, and aren't allowed to give presentations in the workplace. I don't think that's at all fair, so I don't give to United Way.

As far as Salvation Army is concerned, I've donated used clothing and such things, but don't toss money in the kettle. Personally, the dang bell ringiing drives me crazy (it's a short drive, granted, but all the same . . .) Anyway there's times when I'm tempted to offer a donation in return for the opportunity to throw that friggin bell as far as my arm can wing it. It's probably a good thing that I try to avoid shopping during the holiday season.
 
it pisses me off beyond belief when I go to the grocery store and there is a horde of 20 kids in baseball uniforms holding cans blocking the entrance demanding money before you can enter the store...
talk about unwanted solicitation!

also I live in an apartment complex during the week (temp job housing) and every quarter the local firetrucks make it a mission to drive around and collect money in the development (like 8 - 3 story buildings) so they drive around with their sirens blaring at full volume on saturday mornings at 9:30AM...first off it scares the hell outta you and second its 100% impossible to sleep through if your a late riser like me:)

enough of my gripes:)
 
I can understand the annoyances of kids or the like standing outside of grocery stores asking for money, actually stopping people.... that I don't think is too cool.... some can be rather pushy but the salvation army guy just sort of hangs out in one spot and ok, may ring the bell too much but leaves it up to the customer to drop a dime or two..... not my idea of a great bother....
 
Regarding the Salvation Army, I just keep remembering that some day some time I personally may need the help that they offer to those in need. My couple of dollars won't make a big difference, but mine, your's, and their's makes a heck of a difference for those who are in need. I don't give to many charities, but I've always put whatever I had jingling in my pocket or a few folded bills into the red kettles.
Maybe I'm a softie, but money is a slippery slope that has dumped other's in better situations square on their tails. I hope if/when it happens to me there will be an orginization out there to help if it's needed.
 
Well I have nothing against the salvation army, but as for the kids who practically block your way in to the store...THAT is annoying. If I have any loose change I like to put it in to the kettle. It's not worth that much to me, but for someone else, your change plus my change, etc., is worth alot. You have to learn some point in time, that money isn't everything.
I agree with heat, that someday I personally might need help like that. If I ever did, then I would be happy I donated :)
And sometimes I wish I could step on that bell...It gets annoying sometimes. But most of the time it is totally O.K. with me.

My input
;)
~hc
 
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I also have nothing againsted them in fact I think that they are doing a good job! But what hcgirl80 said is right: they do block your way. In the malls with 100s of people packing the stores it sucks to have some on blocking your way. I think that they should really think about the people shopping and move out of the way.
 
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