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Been a little while since I've been on a rant so.... no better time than the present.

Crushed Coral is one of the most [EVIL][/EVIL] things you can put in your tanks. It won't compact enough for denitrification and it doesn't have nearly as much surface space available as live sand. IMHO it's the very worst thing that you can put in your tank . It traps all of the detritus in your tank everything from feces to dead critters and they just lay their and rot as most of it is not accessible to the small life in your tank.

At first there are no problems then it turns into a great big old nitrate factory. Think of a kitchen sponge that never gets changed that you use for cleaning your kitchen, bathroom, walls etc. and you'll get the idea. If you have a reef or mixed invert fish tank it really is the kiss of :thud:.

A lot of first time s.w. keepers are directed to this by their lfs if they do advise it please don't listen. The only things it's good for is a calc reactor or if you have a lot of burrowing critters you can mix a couple of hand fulls in your sand to help with support.

If you have a crushed coral bottom there are 2 ways to remove it . First just take it all out and replace it with a sand bed or deep sand bed. If you do that keep an eye on your water conditions for a while after that and make sure you don't have a mini cycle. The 2nd alt for the cautious or people with larger tanks ,"50 gal and over I'm a chicken", is to remove 1/2 at a time. It takes a lot of work but, there is still quite a bacterial population in the c.c. "not a 10th as much as in sand", so you'll greatly reduce shock if you do that.

Next deep sand beds and normal sand beds what everyone needs to know.

Deep sand beds are the best IMHO for the long term health of your tank. They provide a home for denitrifying bacteria and a place for your infaunal critters to live. It also removes any need to really clean the bottom of your tank! Anything that you can add to your tank that removes waste and increases diversity is a good idea. The amount of surface space available is a great home for bacteria. It also looks much,much better IMHO and is more natural.

Deep sand beds do have issues in highly stocked tanks over a period of years they can start to release phosphates into your water column. IME if you don't overstock or over feed your tank this should take several years to occur. Also if you have sufficient populations of algae in a fuge or in your tank it should help to mitigate these issues.

You can also just go with regular 2 or 3 inch deep sand bed vs. the 5-7 inch deep dsb . It doesn't provide as much denitrification as a dsb as there isn't a very large or any anoxic area. It won't leach out phosphates though or not IME. As an alternant you might consider a normal sand bed in your main tank and a deep sand bed in your fuge to get the best of both worlds. It's a lot easier to change out things in a fuge vs your main tank.

A lot of people in S.W. started out in F.W. where gravels of various sizes is the norm. That's not the case in the oceans constant tidal action quickly wears down rubble to sand. Most critters in s.w. haven't evolved to inhabit such an environment. A few pebbles and maybe a hand full of c.c. if you have burrowing critters won't hurt anything as it adds some structure.

bb or bare bottom.
This isn't one of my favorites I don't like the look. That being said though it's really easy to keep it clean if you have a reef and it also doesn't have any issues like leaching phosphates etc. You do have to stay on top of your tank maintainance.There isn't anything,"well as much" in the tank to deal with waste,"like in a dsb or sb" It is a perfectly workable situation in a marine tank.
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Not unless you want to I posted it in the articles thread to after a litte umh issue lol.
Lol thanks for the vote of confidence Plah ! I'm honored.
 
so let me get this straight

you dont want us to use crushed coral? :read: . Just kidding i do have a question on substrate, i just bought 30lbs of sugar fine aragonite, is this ok, i am going to cover it with a little bit larger live sand.
 
Should be fine casey. Fwiw, I'd just buy plain aold aragonite and let it turn to live sand you'll save some$ and it'll work just the same if you give it a little time?
lol, by popular request I'll make this into a sticky please stay on topic this will be pruned from time to time.
 
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I would love to change out the crushed coral for some sand but how does one do this if the reef has been up for nine months and there are fish/inverts/corals in the tank? How do you do this without affecting them?

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Remove all your fish and l.r. to tubs for the duration of the move. I'd suggest putting corals and l.r. in one container and fish in another. Please, make sure that it has circulation and heat. Then drain the tank and remove your crushed coral. As it states in the thread either do 1/2 sort of a pain or all of it at one time. Rinse out your tank to remove the gunk left over from the c.c. you'll probably be amazed by the amount of it!



Then rebuild a the base of your reef and fill with desired amount of sand. Take a bowl put it in your tank and use it to refill your tank with water to cut down on the size of your sand storm. It may look about like a glass of milk for several hours after the initial change out. When the sand starts to settle out a bit replace your critters. Don't worry if there is some material still in you water column your tank , just wash off your inverts and critters after it's done with. Use common sense here please don't let your inverts get covered in sand.

Save several cloth or net bags full of the old c.c. to put back in your tank to make sure you don't have a mini cycle. Just, set them on your sand bed for a couple of weeks to make sure that your tank bacteria has had enough time to establish. Then remove one bag per week until they are gone. I'd use somewhere around 1/4 of the c.c. in 4 bags. Remove them one at a time starting about the end of week one. I'd still keep an eye on the water params for the next couple of days to make sure that there is no mini cycle!
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deep sand beds

Maxilaria, I read your thread about dsb. I am setting up a new 150 gallon tank using some of my materials from my 100 gallon tank. It was set up as a plenum aand I also have a 50 gallon refug. I have read in the past about plenums being a possible bomb waiting to go off. I was away for a weekend trip and upon my arrival and inspection of the tank (which was about 3 years old) I had all but on dead fish and corals. I had been putting off setting up the new tank and decided now was the time and also to go away from the plenum and go with a dsb. I took my live rock and live sand (which consist of crushed coral and sand) out the other night and put them in separate containers after doing a slight rinse in the salt water. I added power heads fpr circulation. I originally came to this site looking for the right way to clean the sand when doing a water change. I was told when I had my plenum setup to use my python and plunge down into the sand a few inches to vacum up what I saw as merkyness. After reading your thread last night I feel that maybe I contributed to the death of my tank by plunging aand possibly allowing the gases to rise as well as using the wrong type of substrate. I had wanted to use the cc that I have in the new tank along with abou 75-100 lbs of new sand. I thought this would be could for already established bacteria but now I don't know. Here in Mich its hard to get a quality answer from the lfs. seems you can ask each store the same question and get different answers from each. Thanks for any help you can offer.
 
Welcome to A.C. first of all. I wouldn't encourage you to use any more than a few handfulls of crushed coral in your sand bed. It will help seed it with a little bacteria but, so will your live rock if you give it a little time. I'd save as many infaunal ,"sand dwelling critters" as I could though and transplant them to the new tank. If you can get arogonite based sand it will be much better for the long term health of your tank IME. I'd check out my local concrete yard before bothering with the lfs they might have it in stock for a lot better price than the fish store.

Just make sure that the majority of the the sand grains are between 1 and 2 mm's and it should compact enough for denitrification to occur. The trick is to have a low oxygen area at the bottom of the sand bed not to have a no oxygen area. I will say that I like the dsb's the best but, if you have a large bio load in the tank it might start leaching out phospates after it's a couple of years old. You can help with that by growing macro algaes like cheatomorpha or even fast growing soft corals like xenia.
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water changes and dsb

Maxilaria, thanks for the welcome. When I do water changes, do I want to siphon from the dsb as well as the water or do I just let critters do the cleaning of the sand area. I really do enjoy sw fish and corals but it does get expensive when not done right and of course my wife has been good about it but lately she questions my hobby. I am giving it another try using a fluval fx5 filter, a 2400 gph pump aand I am still debating my lighting a little. I have a hamilton 60 inch vho setup with 4 flourescents and am thinking of adding a pair of halides but I am concerned about heat, even with fans. Thanks again
 
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