Suggestions Needed...

Kyohti

Curiouser and Curiouser...
Jan 5, 2007
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Okay, I have a topic here on the plants I purchased... and what's gone wrong since I got them. I've been hearing a lot of mis-matched information about whether or not I need fertilizers or CO2, whether or not my substrate will work, and so on.

I was nervous before I even got started with these plants... now I'm feeling rather defeated by the whole scenario. I had no idea it would be so daunting a task, or that it would consume so much income to even try!! I can't believe I've already invested close to $200 on a 5-gallon aquarium, some plants, and a betta. Granted, the betta alone was close to $50 all by himself.

Still, I thought I'd asked all the right questions about if my gravel and lights would work for my plant choices. Now everyone is piping up about how I could have done things differently. I'm broke, confused, and frustrated as all get out....... but I still want to try. I'm nothing if I'm not persistent!

So...

I have a 5-gallon minibow setup from All-Glass. I performed by first ever fishless cycle with this tank back in April with quick success. I bought blue gravel at the time to go with a theme I was going to experiment with (I'm thinking better of it for now as it's looking too costly thanks to my other expenses) and an 11-watt, screw-in fluorescent bulb. The kit came with a 15-watt incandescent, but I've heard they aren't as potent for growing plants?

Anywho, my first package of plants was 3 bulbs of crypt wenditii, one rhizome of anubias coffe with 7 leaves, and a 'freebie' from the seller of a bunch of 10 stalks of some red-gold plant... Reideckii? :huh: I also bought a trio of aquatic brigs apple snails.

Whether it was the battered condition of the plants, their hunger for vegetation after fasting for the trip, or my own ignorance, the snails went to town for 3 days, stripping the reideckii's leaves to the point of transparency and breaking off the stalks of the anubias and chewing holes in the leaves. The seller assured me they were true brigs snails and they looks more like brigs than the other 'apple snail' species that is a known plant-predator. It's name escapes me at the moment.

So I remove the snails to a non-planted 10-gallon with algae bloom, sinking pellet diet, and the occasional fresh veggies and go back to looking after my pet-project. It's been less than a week since the plants came in. I can't tell if it's my imagination that's making me think the crypt stumps are trying to sprout, the anubias looks like it's going to lose all but 3 or maybe 4 leaves (which is bad since I was told it's a slow grower), and the red plant is turning bright green, dropping leaves, and the smaller stalks are already withering away.

*sighs heavily* So that's how it's been so far. I don't know if it's a disaster, or just the normal bumpy beginning stages of a novice, or if I am not giving myself enough time and credit for what I am *trying* to do here.

I have another crypt species, 2 types of java fern, hygro, and flame moss coming in. Where do I go from here? Do I bite the bullet, let the plants live or die as they may, and buy special plant-growing substrate, better lights, and whatever else when I have the chance to? Is all this necessary just for 5-gallons?

As a sidenote, I admit I have an extremely healthy respect growing for people who plant tanks and do a good job of it now. Moreso than I did when it was just 'pretty' to me. Now I know personally that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication!!
 
My first suggestion, dont give up yet. I have messed up more than just a few attempts and "planted tanks". I would just wait a little for the plants to acclimate and start growing. Some plants take weeks to start growing normally. I also would put some root tabs under the crypts. The whole process just takes a little time to get right in the beginning, and the extra work for this type of tank will pay off if u keep learning. I think u could change the substrate, shouldnt cost that much for a 5g, but the plants will eventually stabilize, they just might not grow as u would like without the right conditions. Dont know if it helped but thats just what I think. I have a 180gallon heavily planted/discus tank, so I know all about the hard work part. I absolutely love being able to walk in to the room and see this tank everyday.
 
Can't remember your initial request so I'll have to ask the question again, what kind of light and wattage do you have?
 
Crypts are prone to melting when transplanted. Dont give up on them. You mentioned they were "3 bulbs of crypt wendtii". Are you sure they are crypts? Do crypts come in "bulbs"? Mine didnt.

As for the others, what I found out (the hard way) is that a large number of plant dealers grow their plants emersed (above water, or atleast partially). When you get them, of course, you submerse them in your tank. The old leaves will almost always die off. However, new leaves should appear soon. Some of my plants have been going through this process for 2 to 3 weeks now. Yes, they are ugly and appear dead, but closer inspection will reveal that they are still alive.

You said yourself that you are persistant, leave the plants go for a few weeks and see what happens.:)
 
The tank came with a 15 watt incandescent bulb. I replaced it with an 11-watt fluorescent. I heard incandescents aren't as good?

And the difficulty with replacing parts is my location. I'm out in the middle of Oklahoma where most people think fish are just something you catch on a hook and fry up with some tartar sauce on the side. :mad:

So finding the things I need to pull this off has been one aggravation after another. My LFS knows more about rats and cockatiels than she does fish and she's as useful as teats on a boar hog when it comes to ANYTHING fish-related. The next closest fish shop is about 45 minutes out and the only DECENT stores are an hour and a half away.

With gas prices being what they are nowadays, I don't relish the idea of doing a lot of driving around. Especially when I'm also trying to save up for the costs of our on-going attempt to immigrate my fiance into the country. So I only have so much to put towards my plans for this tank. ^_^;;
 
Crypts are prone to melting when transplanted. Dont give up on them. You mentioned they were "3 bulbs of crypt wendtii". Are you sure they are crypts? Do crypts come in "bulbs"? Mine didnt.

They are crypts... and they did melt. That's just the only word I could think to use other than stumps. The leaves had melted off before I even added them to the tank, so I just have three whitish-yellow stumps or plant bases or bulbs (whatever you call 'em) with their short little roots buried in the gravel.
 
You said yourself that you are persistant, leave the plants go for a few weeks and see what happens.:)

I certainly try to be... but I don't like to suffer losses. Especially with living things like plants and animals!! They shouldn't have to suffer because I wasn't as prepared for them as I thought I was, right?

*sigh* I'll try to be patient and hopefully they will take off after a couple of weeks. I'm totally going to Lowe's tonight though to see if maybe THEY would have a 20-watt fluorescent I can use!!! ^__^;;

Gotta do the best I can with what I have, right?
 
I don't know anything about plants to help you, but I have been following your progress and I am pulling for ya!
 
I don't know anything about plants to help you, but I have been following your progress and I am pulling for ya!


^___^;; You're too kind. Thankyou.

For what it's worth, I am proud of the small successes. I go home and stare at my tank for at least 30 minutes just about every night... as if somehow willing my crypts to grow will make all the difference in the world. :P

And I think if I create anything close to what I had envisioned, I'll be immeasurably happy with my tank. I'm just having the novice-blues I suppose.:dance2:
 
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