Suing over food commericals...

TheMightyQueenPixie said:
Just to play devils advocate- I actually think they may have a point..
We are innundated every day with hundreds of ads and commercials for convenience food...We are innundated with these ads because they work.

This is why the best way to make the ads go away is to stop letting your kids watch those shows. If its really such a hardship telling your kid no when they reach for the box of chocolate coated sugar flakes, maybe try being a parent for a few minutes and play with them instead of plopping them down in front of the tv where they get exposed to these ads?

I'll be the first to say that marketing departments and ad agencies are almost certainly in league with satan. They spend an awful lot of time figure out the best way to burrow into a consumer's head and stay there. When they do that for products without redeeming values like cigarettes or for products dangerous to children like alcohol its wrong. But sugary cereals? Junk food? Come on. If you don't want your kid getting fat off junk food, teach them to eat it in moderation and to exercise. Too hard? Don't buy the food regardless of their temper tantrum in isle 6. Too hard? Don't let them watch the shows that advertise those foods. Too hard? Tough. Maybe you should have thought about the dificulty of raising kids before having them.
 
I can see the point of the lawsuit. It would be nice if we could stop companies marketing unhealthy products to their target groups. I think it's a little ambitious of a goal, but if it works it could mean a lot. If one case like this is successful it can be used in future cases, I'm looking at the tobacco industry here.
 
I would love to see businesses become responsible for the products they sell and lawsuits are the primary way of forcing them to take responsibility...

That being said, sugary cereals are created for children. To tone down the ads so they aren't enticing to children anymore would be an exercise in futility, since children are the ones who the advertisers are trying to attract in the first place.

How fun to sue Petsmart for selling me a pleco and a 10 gallon tank...I mean I took the pleco home and put him in the tank and then he DIED and I was traumatized by his death, and now I have a fear of death, and I'm wracked with psychological guilt over killing my pleco so I think I might have to go to a shrink for life, and I'm also afraid of small places now cuz my pleco died in a small bowl that Petsmart sold me...you see the slippery slope of where does the business' responsibility end?
 
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windeindoiel said:
I can see the point of the lawsuit. It would be nice if we could stop companies marketing unhealthy products to their target groups. I think it's a little ambitious of a goal, but if it works it could mean a lot. If one case like this is successful it can be used in future cases, I'm looking at the tobacco industry here.

You're going to compare Cocoa Puffs to Marlboros?!

Who are you suppose to market to besides your target group? Junk food has its place as an occassional snack. Used properly, it will harm no one. Kids generally refrain from grocery shopping so the worst that any parent can legitimately say about junk food ads is that they make their kids hound them for sweets. Boo-frickin-hoo. Its still up to the parents to buy the stuff.

Does this mean I get the right to sue anyone who makes my day unpleasant? Because, man, have I got a list.
 
dwayne said:
I guess start with raising our own kids the right way, and hope it 'spreads'...
Hammer, meet the head of the nail.

You are 100% correct. Personal responsibility and accountability start at home. We, as parents, have to not only teach it, but demonstrate it as well. We have to take a hard line against moral relativism and just lay down the law now and then and show as well as say that right is right and wrong is wrong.

Children pick up things SO quickly. My six-year old already knows that if Mommy says "no" it can actually mean maybe. He knows when I say "no" to stop the argument and move on to something else or go to his room and cry for a while, then move on.

My wife is a High School teacher and I am appalled at the number of parents who simply don't get it. This is an example conversation and though it is not directly quoted, it is a nice summation of what I have heard numerous times from her 8 years of teaching:

"Why is my daughter failing your French class?"

"Well, Mrs. Jane'smom, your daughter hasn't turned in half of her assignments, her notebook (which counts as a test grade) and has consistently made failing grades on her tests this six week term."

"I had no idea!"

"Well, Mrs Jane'smom, I do see you signed your daughter's 3 week progress report which indicated she was failing and hadn't turned in several assignments. Also, she hasn't bothered to come in for tutorials after school."

"Well, Jane isn't like other children. She doesn't have the ability to organize like other kids do. Plus, she is really busy with Cheerleading and Drama..."

And the excuses continue. The parent never ever assumes responsibility for having to raise or look after the child and then makes excuses for the child to fail. And, trust me here, parents, no teacher hates a child so much that they make them fail. All kids get the same tests, have the same assignments etc. I love that one when I hear parents repeat it, "My son's teacher hates him and so he makes poor grades." There is a case of a parent who bought into a child's lie. It's sickening to me, but I do understand.

We, as parents, want to believe our children our good kids. We want them to be so much, that we sometimes buy into the lie and even start making excuses for our children. The truth is, if your kid can't keep notes in a notebook and turn it in at the end of six weeks, then they probably can't even operate the friggin' fry machine down at McDonald's. But, Little Jane can certainly memorize lines, stage movement, songs and expression for Drama. Hmm, maybe it's a matter of priorities?

And, it is for parents as well. Sometimes, to put our kids first, we have to take that hard line. We have to make sure they understand that they are responsible for their lives. We have to punish them when they mess up. We have to stop trying to be our kids' friends and start being their parents. And, I know you can be a parent, and still have your kids love you and like to be with you. You don't have to be a tyrant.

If your child behaves badly, or makes a failing grade, we can't just say, "Well, do better next time." We have to say, "This is unacceptable. Now, how do we correct this?" You sit down with them. You place limitations on what they can do until the problem is resolved. You empower them to solve the problem themselves. That's accountability. And trust me, kids will get more out of failing and then fixing it themselves than from Mommy complaining to a teacher or Principal enough so that a failing grade is changed.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the future is scary, because schools are not equipping our children with the wherewithal to cope with the real world. There are a lot of reasons for this. There's the whole "teaching for the test" thing in systems where there is a mandatory test. There are teachers having to pass kids and advance them to the next grade because of state or federal requirements saying x% of kids must pass (regardless of whether they have mastered a subject even as necessary as reading!) Then, there is having to appease parents who stubbornly fight for their kids when in reality they are fighting for their kids not to learn, be capable, or accountable citizens.

Sorry for the rant. As you can tell, I am passionate about this topic. I am just thankful that my wife and I are (almost always ;) ) on the same page when it comes to kids. I am thankful I was raised by parents who loved me enough to set limits, teach me accountability, and say No when it needed to be said, not worrying if I was their friend or not. I am thankful I am part of a Church that believes in teaching accountability to self, others and to a kind, loving and forgiving God. And, I am thankful for my family. My wife and children mean thw workd to me, and I do not intend to let them down because I was afraid of them being mad at me.
 
The thing is, in and of itself, sugary cereals are NOT the problem! It's kids who sit on their fat butts and do nothing, chow down on crap food and have no parental figures telling them it's unhealthy. EVERY SINGLE FOOD in the grocery store - even so called 'healthy' ones are potentially deadly. EVERY ONE. Name one thing in a grocery store that there is no way it can potentially kill someone, and I'll eat that one thing for the rest of my life. It's a slippery slope (sugary cereals make kids fat, that leads to being obese, that leads to health issues and death)... Crap, using that logic then Wonder Bread and Juicy Juice ads should be outlawed too!

In our house the tv is on at all times... I'd say 75% of the time if my son is in the room it is tuned to one of "his" channels. He plays with toys, he reads books, he colors... all while "watching" TV... He sits down for one program right before bed (in his pj's drinking a cup of milk)... sometimes it's (sigh, gasp!) Jimmy Neutron or Spongebob, sometimes it's a hockey or football game. He knows some commercial slogans by heart - most notably "Dunkin Donuts bring yourself back", "1-800-54-giant", and "Bernie and Phyl's, quality, comfort and price, that's nice" (New Englanders know these commercials...) He also knows "built ford tough" and the jeopardy theme song... kids remember crap like that... He also recognizes his own name, can write a few numbers and letters, can count to 20, knows his abc's, and can draw a mean snowman.

He asks for every sweet food we encounter in the grocery store. Yes, I buy him "his" cereal... but I also have no problem telling him no when he asks for 10 boxes of it, asks for cookies, candy and gum and ice cream...

My sister in law is newly pregnant with her first child (yay!) and she is already vowing that it will not watch ANY tv. I told her to be realistic, the tv is on in their house 24-7 just like in mine... I told her I said the same thing when I was pregnant but then realized that TV is not the enemy - bad parenting skills are the enemy!
 
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