Swimming Pool -> Koi Pond?

Talked to my dad. Pool is plaster finished. 1hp pump with a cartridge filter (it has a drain on the bottom, and a skimmer at the top). He thinks the pipe diameters are a little smaller than is current pool standard. From memory, he thinks the pool is about 25,000 US gallons, 3' at shallow end and 9' at deep end; about 20 x 40 feet (like I said though, kidney shaped).
 
If any of this is useful... Their city's water is apparently treated with chlroamines (2006 water quality report says avg 4ppm), total dissolved solids of 1000ppm, hardness of about 300ppm, nitrates 45ppm.

I'm guessing that there are industrial-sized dechlorinators available (to deal with the chloramines)...
 
yea pond liners are fine but like i said it was pool liners that were said to not be safe
 
The actual filter you have is pretty much useless. You may however be able to use the pump and you can certainly use the pumping. Look around for some DIY instuction on a large biofilter. You have a lot of options, including sectioning off a portion of the pool itself to build the tank. Personally I would get a large stock tank and start with that.

With such a large pond you dont necessarily have to size the filter as large as you would for a smaller pond. You are almost to the small farm (mud) pond size which doesnt have a filter at all. The most important thing is to keep your fish load at a reasonalble level in keeping with your filter capability.

Yankee Dog
 
The actual filter you have is pretty much useless. You may however be able to use the pump and you can certainly use the pumping. Look around for some DIY instuction on a large biofilter. You have a lot of options, including sectioning off a portion of the pool itself to build the tank. Personally I would get a large stock tank and start with that.

There's already a shed within which is housed the current pump and filter. I'm going to guess the current filter (which I think is a diatomaceous earth filter) is mostly mechanical in nature. It'd be nice to be able to use the pump still in some capacity though; it's hooked up to something that allows water to drain out to the street when the pump assembly is emptied to clean and whatnot. Since it's self-contained, I'm going to guess that unless a lot of fancy plumbing was done, the biological filter(s?) would have to be set up in a separate system somehow...

Haven't done a ton of reading yet, since i've been kind of busy with school stuff, but I've been starting to do some preliminary looking around. However, a lot of stuff seems to be for rather smaller ponds; the basic principles still apply though...

Can enough substrate be put in for plants if the bottom drain still wants to be used? Or would it be better to somehow pot them and let them sit on the bottom? or are there pond plants that are purely floating? (don't know much about these things...). If there were a relatively high plant to fish ratio, how much external filtration would be needed (i.e., can it be made to be fairly self-sustaining? Ancient Japan didn't have electrical pumps...)
 
people are kooky

the filter you have right now will be able to handle a small bioload... add in some filter floss to be able to remove the larger chunks and invest in some high quality koi rather than your average "generic" koi...

it would help if you could give direct specs on how your pool filter is like but if you wanted to hook up a bio filter for more fish,you can buy or find some 55 gal plastic bins and plumb it in line with the current filter (and filling it up whith what you like)

the intake on the pool is designed to suck up anything that hits the bottom so a full ground substrate wil not work. plants and lilies can be planted in baskets and submerged at the 3 ft end.. the 9 ft end will need some platforms to raise the pots up... and the stucture can double as a fish refuge. and you can build it out of cinderblocks zip tied together and creating a table (still thinking of what can be used as a platform)


and chlorine... chlorine can and will evaporate.. but such a high amount will take you a week or so.. buy a chlorine test and test it about every 3 days till you get a negative test.. and have a seperate declorinating bin for your top offs


so all in all the set up you have righ tnow can hold about 5 full sized fish
but you have to create a suitable environment for them
-water
-filtration
-protection
-food
 
Hmmm, just talked to my dad some more... apparently he replaced the filter from what I knew and never told me he was doing it, so here I'm thinking about the big old diatomaceous earth filter that I got to help clean in high school... (haven't lived with my parents for 8 years now :P)

3/4hp model:
http://www.lesliespool.com/content/pdf/40046.pdf

as for chlorine... they've got a pool test kit, so can at least monitor some stuff like ph and whatnot (i think chlorine was on it). But the city adds chloramine, which I thought didn't evaporate out?

Apparently a waterfall type thing isn't out of the questoin, if we can figure out a way to do it that isn't tooooo complicated or expensive.

Dad said something about adding some kind of extension pipe to the bottom drain so that dirt could be added into the bottom of the deep end... not sure how feasable it is, but if he wants to try it, I'm willing to let him figure it out ;P They do want plants (because it'd be prettier, and because it'd be more likely to end up with some kind of 'balance' and because whatever fish end up in there will need shade during the day - I think I mentioned that there isn't a ton of shade til late afternoon)

Apparently, if I can do the background research, Dad is willing to try to make it happen. Heh.
 
I think you are trying to make this harder than it is. You really are almost there. You can start the thing with almost zero work and with just a bit more have a really great set up.

The first thing to do is stop putting chemicals in it right now. In about a week or so all the chorine in the pools should be about gone. Now get a couple of small hardy fish and put them in to get the cycle started. Dont worry about feeding them. The bugs that fall in will take care of this amount of fish.

I would not go with a substrate. Although you are close to having a mud pond in size I think you would be better off not going down that road. Planting new plants in a substrate once the pond is established would be a major hassel. Think SCUBA.

Put your plants in baskets. You can use a long poll with a hook and place/move your plants around as you like. I would leave the deep end open with maybe some floaters. Most swimming pools have a sort of ledge all the way around at the water level that works in conjunction with the skimmer. If you so desire, with a little ingenuity you could hang plant baskets on wire from this ledge.

A waterfall would look great in this situation. Think formal pond. That is, straight lines, tile, and "sheets" of flowing water, not jumbles of rocks as in most informal ponds.

As for the filter. I think the most economica route is to build a DIY unit of a stock tank(s). You could also incorporate the bio filter into your water fall. There are any number of website out there with the details of how to make one. Just route the water from the present filter/pump system through your new bio filter. Do a search for fluidized bed filters. You can build a pretty good one that will handle a large bio load pretty easily out of PVC.

I would be a little concerned that the turnover rate of the pump might not be enough. However if you keep your bio load low that should not be a big deal. Good luck,

Yankee Dog
 
technically you could add a neck to the intake but you will still get depri being sucked up because the koi will rummage...
good point. Would need to come up with some sort of potted system if going to put plants down there. Other option (proposed by dad) is setting current pump to not draw water from the bottom drain (which is as easy as a flip of the switch) and only use the surface skimmer, and fill in part of the deep end (simultaneously providing a substrate for any plants, but also decreasing volume of pool).

and i have to say adding a waterfall to a pool might look a bit corny..... why not an in pool pump with a prefilter and a fountain head.. just ideas
Why not? Cos I hadn't thought of it? This would be something that would be submerged, incorporate some type of filter, and shoot water upwards?

I would not go with a substrate. Although you are close to having a mud pond in size I think you would be better off not going down that road. Planting new plants in a substrate once the pond is established would be a major hassel. Think SCUBA.

Put your plants in baskets. You can use a long poll with a hook and place/move your plants around as you like. I would leave the deep end open with maybe some floaters. Most swimming pools have a sort of ledge all the way around at the water level that works in conjunction with the skimmer. If you so desire, with a little ingenuity you could hang plant baskets on wire from this ledge.
This pool doesn't have a ledge underwater. The sides go straight down, but slope toward the bottom (no square edges underwater). But may be able to figure something out to allow plants in baskets anyway... would have to talk to dad and see if we can't come up wit something.

As for the filter. I think the most economica route is to build a DIY unit of a stock tank(s). You could also incorporate the bio filter into your water fall. There are any number of website out there with the details of how to make one. Just route the water from the present filter/pump system through your new bio filter. Do a search for fluidized bed filters. You can build a pretty good one that will handle a large bio load pretty easily out of PVC.

I would be a little concerned that the turnover rate of the pump might not be enough. However if you keep your bio load low that should not be a big deal.

I'll do some more reading and see what I can come up with, and cosult with dad to see what he's willing to try/build/etc., since it's really him that'll end up doing most of the work and spending the money ;P I don't think parents necessarily want/need a ton of fish, and it would seem that having fewer fish would mean it would require less maintenance. as long as it comes out aesthetically, i think they'd be happy.

I'll look around some more, and try to figure out what might work. If parents go through with this, I'll keep you all updated :)
 
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