The Amano Empire

If your saying that ADA products should be cheaper I would agree. Then I would be all over them.

There's plenty of good alternatives out there.

It's almost like buying a brand namde sterio system ("JL") for example. While they do make good stuff theres plenty of other products out there that wil work the same or better for the money. However that does not make JL, crap...
 
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PeteCW said:
.blah blah blah.....Why then, is this guy worshipped throughout the world? ....blah blah blah....but Amano’s whole public relations strategy and occasionally obtainable so-called practical advise is frequently vague, clouded and occasional counter-logical....blah blah blah

1) ADA craftsmanship has no comparison, their rimless tank alone is worth it. Amano is the man who created all those wonderful products for the planted community. Why do people buy bmw or mercedes when you can have an equally nice car like toyota?

2) ADA products are only expensive in the US due to availability. In japan they are priced similarly to other aquarium brands. So blame ada for jacking up the price is not totally fair.

3) Why worship him? Have you seen amano's tanks and styles?

4) Not giving practical advise? maybe read some of his books even the ada catalog has half the pages filled with step by step instruction on setting up a planted tank, or attend one of his conventions? Sitting in your basement complaining about amono not giving you advise gets you nowhere.

5) He's a great asset to the planted community, if nothing else it will bring more people into the hobby and bring greater exposure.
 
gagaliya said:
1) ADA craftsmanship has no comparison, their rimless tank alone is worth it. Amano is the man who created all those wonderful products for the planted community. Why do people buy bmw or mercedes when you can have an equally nice car like toyota?

2) ADA products are only expensive in the US due to availability. In japan they are priced similarly to other aquarium brands. So blame ada for jacking up the price is not totally fair.

3) Why worship him? Have you seen amano's tanks and styles?

4) Not giving practical advise? maybe read some of his books even the ada catalog has half the pages filled with step by step instruction on setting up a planted tank, or attend one of his conventions? Sitting in your basement complaining about amono not giving you advise gets you nowhere.

5) He's a great asset to the planted community, if nothing else it will bring more people into the hobby and bring greater exposure.

actually even in japan ADA is pricy because every item is handmade according to ADA, they fix broken glass intake,outakes in case you didnt know. ADA is like Maybach if you compare to automobile companies.

i must say that the lily pipe is work of art. it can start syphon, lift it up, you can agitate the surface, it diffuses the current.
only thing is that its glass so fragile and requires maintenance to keep its beauty
 
There was a similar response a few times in the past.
Amano is really into planted tanks and gardening.

He's also a very good professional photographer, few aquarist are at hish level there.

The culture, gardening methods and aesthetics in Japanese gardens are all too obvious to see what Amano has done. All you need to do is look at their gardens there to see where all the designs come from.
The gardens are designed on nature.
Many Dutch tanks have similar roots.

Both borrowed heavily from existsing gardening styles that predate aquariums by several centuries.

I have a bad habit of figuring things out in respect to horticulture and science, some may not like me either, I do not care really, but Amano is out there promoting the hobby more than most..........

He can be evasive in writing and answering, but many are that way that own and business and folks have a bad habit here on the web of DIY every idea.
Cannot knock him for that.
Would a chef give away all his secret recipes?
I've met him and talked with him a couple of times now, he's a nice guy.

I suggest you meet him and then decide for yourself.
He's not God like in any respect, no one is.
Placing people on pedestals will get you in trouble.

I think it's good to realize such folks are human and that you can do the same level of work once you see him, or anyone you think is good do a tank or a layout etc.

Pics are great since they transcend language barriers.
Perhaps you speak German? Japanese?
Translating lots of languages takes work and time etc.

The new Book of ADA is English BTW.
I like the ADA Aqua soil personally.
Glass tanks look sharp, so does the glass ware.

I have clients that like that stuff as well and are willing to pay for it.
You can buy the Rhinox ADA knock stuff also on ebay, cost about 4x less and is of good quality.

There are places that will make custom glass tanks for you.
Ferts?
Ferts are ferts are ferts.
Lighting? Same deal there, many places make cool lighting.

Amano put a lot of thought into the entire aesthetic of the line which I think is cool.

I like the asethetic.
I enjoy figuring stuff out personally.
Would you like to be judged by others who have never even met you?

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Ah, the great Tom Barr submitted his two cents to this, and what a great two cents it is, for I can think of few in this hobby/industry that conduct themselves as professionally/diplomatically and freely has him in a public capacity, and this can only be construed as a credit to him.
As for myself, I will continue to keep my true (professional) identity anonymous, and while I have also had extensive direct interaction with Mr. Amano, and yes, he is a charming fellow indeed, I stand by my analysis of his public and business interactions.
By all means it is not entirely his fault that the public end of his business is managed in the way that it is, for he has many individuals/companies that are there to do this job for him, and they perform their job in the best way that they were academically trained to do i.e. to market and sell product at all cost, in order to impress their superiors and meet internally defined targets.
Nonetheless, his PR reps (and the real businessmen behind his commercial endeavor) recognize that he has the “pole position” in terms of planted aquaria throughout the world and are damned sure they will make the most of it through conventional business tactics for maximum profit for all, as any businessman would seek to do, but what does this mean to the end user? In this case it means that they are trying to push a fabricated utopia that will cost the end user far beyond what they need to spend to achieve the very same thing, which is assuming the end user in question was not an intelligent freethinker that realized they did not need to buy into this whole BS to satisfy their aquaristic needs.
As I stated before, though Takashi himself may be a really swell guy for the most part, the people behind his marketing empire have other interests in mind, and this is obviously appearing to be somewhat of a discredit to him, and not only to me, but to many other intelligent and observant individuals (hobbyists/professionals) throughout the world.
I wish Mr. Amano all the best, as I always have, but I feel obligated to publicly acknowledge that his “entity” in a public capacity needs to be seriously addressed if he wishes to be publicly maintained as a serous asset to the freshwater planted tank community. Obviously there will always be ignorant “loyal subjects”, but please, I am only interested in the advancement of this hobby/art form.
I assure you that Mr. Amano himself is aware of the concern that I have addressed here, however he is a unique and wonderful individual and will address matters as only he sees fit, and beyond that, in a manner that he actually has control of.
Need I even address other really truly bogus entities significantly involved in our pursuit? Marc Weiss? Don’t even get me started, as I would surely end up with an ugly lawsuit on my hands sought through American courts, though this would inevitably be futile.
I am a big fan of Mr. Amano, and I am only concerned with his wellbeing in posting this.
 
“I was looking at the tanks wondering why they look so "clean" and uncluttered and I relized that it was because you can't see the mechanics of the tank. Then I relized that the tanks still had the same mechanics as other tanks, they were just clear! I have no idea how they keep the tubing that clear. Unbelievable! Also, it doesn't look like he has a spray bar. Does anybody know what he uses instead or does anybody know the details of his filtration system?”
This was a comment extracted from a different forum on this site posted by Bunny13 referring to a staged Amano photograph.
This clearly demonstrates the power that his marketing team demonstrates over mere mortals such as you and me, but if Bunny13 only understood and appreciated the implications of what that photo represented, she may not have held it in such high regard. Granted, it is a great photo, but what exactly went into creating that photo? MUCH more effort than any rational hobbyist would have put into it, and for this reason, does it really hold that much value?
Once again a mere mortal is wowed and confused as to how such a supposed work of art could have been created or conceived by a human entity……bogus marketing strategy, my dear, and that many more sales for ADA, bless Takashi’s cotton socks.
Case fortified.
 
Isn't it generally known that he uses huge pipes and filtration gear that is easily as big as the tanks, if not more so? I think I read something like that in a description of a visit at his home exhibition site.
 
Ulan said:
Isn't it generally known that he uses huge pipes and filtration gear that is easily as big as the tanks, if not more so? I think I read something like that in a description of a visit at his home exhibition site.
This is correct, yet more smoke and mirrors to fortify his legacy.
By the way, I stand corrected in that the photo Bunny13 was referring to was not an official release, yet "Amano Industries" would not have allowed said tank to be photographed unless it did not meet corporate approved (or at least aesthetic Amano) standards.
 
PeteCW said:
This is correct, yet more smoke and mirrors to fortify his legacy.
I'm not sure whether this fits together. The gear I saw would be nice for a public swimming pool, but a bit much for normal household, even a somewhat spacious one. It's not really something you can sell in an aquarium shop. That looked more like Home Depot.

Keep in mind, I come from the position of someone who likes his displays as momentary snapshots, but not as something I'd like to have at home. As fish tanks (with stress on "fish"), they would bore me.
 
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