THE most aggresive fish

[joephys]

My dear God, you can get FROZEN FEEDER RODENTS, DO NOT USE LIVE. Frozen feeder mice are available at PETSMART for 6 for 9.99 USD, they are NOT hard to find.

Or does drowning live animals as intelligent as dogs and smarter than horses as rats are turn you on somehow? Live feeding of rodents to other animals is considered animal cruelty and ILLEGAL in some countries (like the UK and Australia), but sadly not in the US. Of course, the UK has been breeding rats and mice for SHOW for over 100 years.

I have fifteen pet rats and a few are pedigreed show-quality animals. I love them like most people with heart love their dogs -- they're affectionate, learn their names, learn tricks, give kisses, VERY rarely bite, cuddle with you, follow you around the house like a puppy, you name it. I love them like most people with heart love their dogs and cats.

I see a lot of talk about how fish should be considered companion animals and treated humanely on these forums. Why doesn't this extend to companion rodents as well? Those little rats and mice you buy out of those feederbins and toss helplessly into one of the the most terrible deaths possible could make one of the most wonderful pets you've ever had.

The frozen mice and rats sold in many pet stores are HUMANELY EUTHANISED, usually using CO2, before they're frozen and offered as a food item for your other pets. Plus, they're gut-loaded and a healthier alternative for your animal.

USE THEM.

Its perfectly natural for live animals to be eaten by predators. Should we go through frozen euthanized rabbits out in the woods for the mountain lions? I don't know if I could watch it, but I don't think its such a bad thing.

Have you ever been tried to breath where there is no oxygen? Its awful, How can you say that that is humane? I personally wouldn't trust a pet store when they say they are humanely euthanised, and for what reason would a frozen mouse be healthier than a live mouse?

 

[cherrypie]

Here in Australia, keepers of native fish generally consider the Black Bream (Hephaestus fuliginosus) to be the most agressive, generally any fish that is added to a tank with one gets killed (heard many stories of far larger barramundi, murray cod and sleepy cod being killed by them).

Live feeding of rodents to other animals is considered animal cruelty and ILLEGAL in some countries (like the UK and Australia), but sadly not in the US.

As far as I know it's not illegal in Australia (though commercial breeding of rodents for that purpose may be). I can even drop in a link to a government site with a "how to" guide of breeding rats and mice for live food. Obviously if the fish (or animal) in question will readily take dead food then feeding live food is potentially unethical (depending on the food in question, I wont lose any sleep over mosquito larvae, blood worms and brine shrimp), but sadly that's not always the case.

 

[sumthin fishy]

thanks joe, I didnt want to start the debate on that, but I will back you up.
I agree that "humain euthanization" involving C02 doesn't sound right.
She did say the mice were gut laoded and that was why they were healthier. I could see doing the same thing with live mice, feeding them a diet that would benifit the preditor who is scheduled to consume them. I do feel it is somewhat natural for a preditor to actually have to catch its prey, and if it is anything like I have seen (I have not kept FISH that ate live mammals), they hardly have the time to drown before they are consumed. FWIW I used to keep/breed red-tailed boas and fed them live mice, then rats, then bunnies or chickens. At the same time, I had pet rats, a hamster and mice, which were strictly pets which a showed the same care for as I did my snakes and fish. Honestly, the live foods have some chance of getting away, but that poor, poor letuce I used as a treat for the rodents has no legs or any other means of escape.

Someone needs to go get themselves a copy of the Lion King and watch it a few times.

Now, all that has been said, but I would like to point out that mamallian fats are not water soluable and should not be fed to fish live OR dead. There are much better alternatives in the form of live or dead aquatic organisms to choose from.

 

[rosita]

depends what you mean by mean? anyfish will eat smaller fish but that doesnt make it mean. so maybe you mean overly aggressive? if thats the case yeah id go with red devils too, they are pretty relentless in their killings and seem to kill for the fun of it.
exodons are notorious eye eaters if thats your fancy
red tailed catfish arent mean, their actually pretty sweet and well manered, they will eat anything that fits in their mouth but thats just a food source.
flowerhorn cichlids can terrorize its tankmates and may even kill a red devil matched in size...so its a toss up between those 2 cichlids for me.
i have a 4" red tailed shark thats mean...do you want him? lol
hes in with central american cichlids twice his size and he bullies everyone

Well, this guy--catfish unknown species- could be really fun for you to play with--aggressively HUNGRY,
he obviously will put anything in his mouth. Or, you could just get a fighting pit bull for a playmate!!

 

[rosita]

Or does drowning live animals as intelligent as dogs and smarter than horses as rats are turn you on somehow? Live feeding of rodents to other animals is considered animal cruelty and ILLEGAL in some countries (like the UK and Australia), but sadly not in the US. Of course, the UK has been breeding rats and mice for SHOW for over 100 years.

:OT: I beg to differ (gently) on your statement that rats are more
intelligent than horses. Having been around horses most of my life,
having rehabilitated an abused, high-strung mare into a wonderful
companion, and raised 2 from birth, training and riding both (one is 9, one
is 3), and livng on a horse farm for the past several years, I have found
that most horses are smarter than most humans--and they have alot more
common sense. I'm not talking about show horses, who are a different
kind altogether. Dogs are capable of learning human vocabulary to over
300 words; horses are a bit over 200. Their range and depth of emotions
is staggering, and they often outsmart humans. No, they aren't cuddly,
but they give kisses too, and follow you around full of curiousity.

I concur that rats can attain a level of intelligence--my sister had one for
several years, but I really argue their superiority over horses. Just my
two lira worth.

 

[cindy2715]

These fish are MEAN. I had to keep bricks on top of his tank just to keep him in there! He finally died. Parasites I think. I just could not get him better. He was 18 inches long and ate about 40 feeder goldfish everyday. Very cool fish. Once went fishing. Caught two Bass, both were 6-8 inches long. He ate them both, one right after the other. These fish can wipe out an entire lake. That is why they are illegal.

 

[awesum]

Snakeheads are more aggressive than pirhana's. well from my experience.

There are a lot of pirhana species out there. I wouldn't get red belly's that's for sure. my friends red devil killed a red belly P before and the P was just as big as the red devil. Red belly's are weak. They are like pacus with bigger teeth. You also need a school of P's to make it interesting.

With a Snakehead all you need is one of those and you'd be impress. I've seen a 12" snakehead bite a 12" catfish in half off of one bite.

A lot of fish will eat mice, snakeheads, arowanas, gars, etc.

 

[rosita]

Going out on a limb, here, but I don't think that Gumby131 needs to have
ANY of the type of fish we've discussed. Just a feeling. . . . . .
:shark:

 

[Gumby131]

Here in Australia, keepers of native fish generally consider the Black Bream (Hephaestus fuliginosus) to be the most agressive, generally any fish that is added to a tank with one gets killed (heard many stories of far larger barramundi, murray cod and sleepy cod being killed by them).
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murray cod eh? jesus they must be bad asses if they can bring down a one of thoise

 

[reiverix]

He was 18 inches long and ate about 40 feeder goldfish everyday.

Most likely the reason for its demise. My arrowhead puffer gets two (thawed from frozen) fish per week, or the equivalent in mussels or shrimp. It is very aggressive but not mean. It knows who feeds it and is quite fascinated by me. Intelligent in fish terms anyway.