The Stop Online Piracy Act, and how it effects all of US!

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Well, personally I wouldn't give a darn about shutting down facebook, I don't use it. But if they shut down AC I'd be ticked. But obviously you don't think that the average american facebook user would be ticked enough to do anything about it. My bet, if we do nothing about the problem, is that we'd just use cell phones and the postal service again...

Besides, I doubt the US Gov will exist for much longer anyway... I'm one of those people who think the gov is pretty much screwed and doomed to fail at this point.
 
dundadundun said:
FF... i hate to say it, but you're completely lost, here. i get your point about the whole "in your face/at the tip of your keyboard" aspect of this bill, but you're forgetting how people are still rolling over in lieu of reading and understanding the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. people complain about red light cameras and airport security every day, but do nothing about it. if only they knew the powers they handed over to the government when they didn't oppose it to begin with. as far as i'm concerned, that bill was and always has been one long violation of our constitutional rights separated in part and by subsection/article/etc. into handfuls of smaller violations of our constitution. in summary, our constitutional "rights" and the patriot act are polar opposites in many ways.

you should set aside about a month of spare time to read over it and reference the articles and subsections in the context they're written into the act. it's a real eye opener if you take the time to fully understand it.

not to mention the countless bills that have gone before congress in the recent past since the act was signed in. i vaguely recall H.H.R. 669 and countless attempts to turn over the lacey act for the worse for example.
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And while you're at it Travis, put aside a few evenings to actually read the US Constitution. It's a truly amazing document.
 
Cheech said:
I'm hoping Google and faceboook follow Reddit's lead. It would make for an interesting day to have those sites blacked out.

Have you seen what Godaddy's been going through? Thousands of websites moved their hosting from Godaddy to competitors because of Godaddy's support for SOPA. Wiki has threatened to move their servers from godaddy as well.

Hopefully it will work, but sadly I think SOPA will still go through...
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Look at Paul Ryan too, he was a candidate who supported SOPA and will be destroyed in next years election after popular online communites (notably Reddit) raised a ton of money for his opponent's campaign, along with vastly increasing suppourt/awareness for his opponent.

SubRosa said:
And while you're at it Travis, put aside a few evenings to actually read the US Constitution. It's a truly amazing document.
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I don't know why we fail to teach a mandatory government class, I think that a requirement to graduate high school should be the ability to understand the basics of our government and the legal system that governs it.
 
I read the reddit stuff and I have to admit, I was lost in the literary jargon. I don't quite understand it. :\
 
according to the patriot act, the government has already granted itself the right to shut down any site based on its soil by stating it's a threat to security. they've also granted themselves the right to search these sites including private information and conversations until they find what they need to prove there's a risk by stating they believe there might be a risk. they've also granted themselves the rights to search through or actively monitor any electronic communication on the same principles... and act accordingly upon what they find. hence why several teens country wide have been tried as adults for venting like a teen vents, but not fully understanding the repercussions.

i'm not saying people will roll over when they try to log in and realize their favorite site is long gone. i'm saying by the time the site is long gone, their "rights" to act as a majority people coming together for a unified purpose will be irrelevant and over-ruled by the laws they've been too stagnant to refute. structured in ambiguity and written in plain site with a falsified mission statement based on the propagation and exploitation of fear and/or pushed in as "compromise" by lobbyists and corruption via the almighty dollar, the little details will be written in one by one giving government free reign by taking away the rights that truly made our gov't "by the people, for the people".

the US government isn't going anywhere any time soon. people who are too lazy or caught up in their own little worlds to refute the bill that makes it possible for them to lose their rights as americans aren't exactly going to march their butts half way across the country to take the government completely down. if the government outlasted prohibition and the great depression, it will outlast this. notice "martch on wallstreet", not "coup on pennsylvania ave"? that speaks volumes for where we're at as a people with our current standing. complacent, sitting out on the curb... until we're forced to move. then we move.......

back to business as usual. oh, well. the poor get poorer, but we're far from "bottom of the barrel", so... complacent, mundane, comatose.... ignorant... and yet still voting... sigh...

as i sit here with pat toomey, "rallly congress", mike fitzpatrick and USARK emails staring at me...

ha! just did a search and found cliffs notes for ya... http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html ... dunno about the sites content, but that page was a pretty good summary, IMO. represented what i read pretty well.

the constitution hosted at cornell... http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/

the patriot act summarized at duke law... http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/civil/index.php?action=showtopic&topicid=10

all 4 versions including the one that's currently in use hosted by the library of congress... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3162:

pdf file, full text of current patriot act if you want to save it and finish it later... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/t2GPO...BILLS-107hr3162enr/pdf/BILLS-107hr3162enr.pdf

it's there if you care to understand what people are willing to give up when faced with an option to fight it out. or should i say given the necessity to have to figure it out...
 
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I don't know why we fail to teach a mandatory government class, I think that a requirement to graduate high school should be the ability to understand the basics of our government and the legal system that governs it.
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in many states, it is a prerequisite to receiving a diploma (ie; graduating). unfortunately, last i knew it was not in pennsylvania.
 
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Cheech said:
I'm hoping Google and faceboook follow Reddit's lead. It would make for an interesting day to have those sites blacked out.

Have you seen what Godaddy's been going through? Thousands of websites moved their hosting from Godaddy to competitors because of Godaddy's support for SOPA. Wiki has threatened to move their servers from godaddy as well.

Hopefully it will work, but sadly I think SOPA will still go through...
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The GoDaddy domain exodus has been awesome. I've watched that from the start. If I had any domains with them I would have transferred them myself. The Paul Ryan thing has been cool too. Wikimedia said they were moving their servers, but it would take some time logistically.

The NDAA amendment of 2012 scares the crap out of me. Bye bye constitutional rights. I can't believe it passed. I will not be voting for anyone who supported it next election.
 
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